![[0113] Freedom! Justice! Cookies!](/comics/2009-11-19-[0113]-freedom!-justice!-cookies!.png "[0113] Freedom! Justice! Cookies!")
Finally a political slogan everybody can agree on. Because, seriously, who in his right mind would oppose freedom, justice, and most importantly, COOKIES!?! Most of you surely remember the strip Pie in which the banner was already shown.
You can buy a poster / print of this strip in our store, as well as a couple of other products with the same design.
T-shirts and various other products with the following two designs based on today’s strip are also available. They are printed on organic t-shirts, since that seemed to fit the message, but it’s also possible to select one of the many other shirt types, including ones for colder weather.
If you want any of these pictures printed on another type of product, for example on a mug or a mousepad, just drop a note in the comments.
Monday, we’ll resume with more conventional strips once again.
- Banner: FREEDOM! JUSTICE! COOKIES!
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“Freedom! Justice! Reasonably priced Love! And a Hard-boiled Egg!”
I preferred pizza but still. I might buy this shirt…This is awesome.
I just checked the link and only found an error. They don’t sell’em no more?
I hope you guys don’t mind if I just print it on my shirt.
Zweisteine wrote:
I do that to myself sometimes.
Heck, sometimes I leave a comment one year and then come back a few years later and rip into past-me … or at least I used to, until Andrew Hussey made it a thing and now suddenly everyone would believe it was a Homestuck reference if I started having a go at past-me.
NOT that it happens too often. I usually tend to agree with past-me over a lot of stuff… though sometimes I suspect that past-me is a bit too grumpy.
And my counter-argument would probably hinge on the whole “burden of proof” concept in some way. Probably. It wouldn’t really feel sincere though. Not least because I’m not really invested in counter-arguing.
Still though… if someone has a concept of justice that actually works, it is up to them to provide and define it. Besides that, all I can discern of it is that it necessarily involves two subjects, is inapplicable to the inanimate, and is supposed to be a descriptor for an event of some sort…
Freedom, on the other hand, is the lack of a thing. It is an unthing. It does not apply to an event but is a state of being inverse to that of being limited or constricted. Its applicability is equally valid to both objects and subjects.
And in so far as the two can be compared in any way…. “justice” is by way of things happening, while “freedom” is by way of things NOT being there… In other words, if they’re at all involved, it is in a state of opposition.
That said, it has occurred to me, reading your lower remarks, that you might be restricting your consideration of the two to specific situations in which they may be interpreted as applying to completely different and separate subjects… both with related consequences… and taking that as a coinciding of the two. And in which case, you’re really not thinking about this abstractly enough: An example of something isn’t the definition of it.
Well, it would help if there was some sort of direction or intent to what you were writing… or at least one I could identify. So far as I can tell, “justice” is frequently just a synonym or descriptor for “revenge”, but rather more abstract. Same general ballpark though. Most people who take revenge consider it “justice”, while those on the receiving end seem to believe it “requires justice”… though I’ve not the first clue what they really mean by it besides being myopic in their consideration.
I really would like to know what you were trying to get at.
No such thing as “too literally”. Only “not literally enough”. And if you’re not being literal enough, you are not being correct enough. Not that I’m going to bite anyone’s head off just for being wrong once in a while… but I wouldn’t call it particularly desirable.
Start getting non-literal with words, and you invite abuse. Non-literal communication is a breeding-ground for deception, which is the axis upon which manipulation hinges…. (see what I did there?) …
Of course modern culture is practically built on deception, so being totally literal doesn’t come naturally to most. It probably shouldn’t be considered undesirable though… unless you’re TRYING to manipulate people and subvert their will.
It seems necessary right here to ask what definition of “we” you’re using… as it definitely doesn’t include me… so you and whom else?
Wars are based on incompatible intents… multiple parties desiring the fulfillment of conditions that are mutually exclusive of the desired conditions of the other parties.
Admittedly, my statement that love was responsible for most of the world’s wars was somewhat of an exaggeration… but taking love in its loosest sense as a desire for something due to positive consideration of it, then indeed that desire for the fulfillment of conditions mutually exclusive to those of others, that in turn brings about war, is love.
More to the point… peace is much closer in concept to freedom. It is a lack of conflict much the same way as freedom is a lack of restriction. Both can only be attained absolutely upon the complete heat-death of the Universe.
In a much less absolute sense, one gains peace as one loses love, provided one isn’t replacing it with something else equivalent (like hate, for instance).
Your fifth point stopped making sense at the first sentence… at least to me. I’m just sitting here with a confused look on my face…
The “freedom” democracies were made to “protect” isn’t freedom at all. It never was.
Laws cannot grant freedom. Laws can only take away freedom, because laws (by definition) restrict. You may be confused since one might seem more “free” to take certain actions under the protection of laws, but one was always free to take those actions… rather it is the freedom of those who would take counter-actions against yours which is restricted. What laws protect from are consequences of acting freely… essentially.
Oh, and Anarchy is simply the lack of a defined leader class. It is non-hierarchal. It isn’t the same as lawlessness. Anarchists can have laws… though unsurprisingly, many of us prefer the idea of something a little less rigid (like “don’t piss that guy off or he’ll cave your head in”).
Also, “good”, much like “justice” just comes across as a relatively meaningless and uncommunicable abstraction to me. People love to use the word, yet never will anyone bother to actually cross-check definitions with another person to come to any sort of mutually calibrated understanding. As such everyone is using the word to mean something different (sometimes complete opposites), which kinda defeats the purpose of having a word at all.
In any case… to regard freedom as an innately “good” thing is a tad foolish. All things conducive to life come in balance… generally not in extremes.
So in closing…. and you can start reading again if you just decided to ignore my wall-of-text …
… You seem like a fun sorta person to talk to. =3
This was fun. ^_^
Sadly, there are many people who are indeed opposed to Freedom and Justice. Most polititians, for instance…
I’m only being slightly facetious. Most would deny it of course, but actions speak louder than words and the actions of most polititians demonstrate a scorn for Freedom and Justice as threats to their power.
@ Argent Stonecutter:
Truth, Justice, Freedom, Reasonably Priced Love, and A Hard-Boiled Egg.
I agree with this slogan.
Freedom=Courage
Justice=Wisdom
Cookies=Power
minetruly wrote:
i at one time considered a vegan diet. But apparently eating vegan is illegal in my state.
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Is this a nod to Terry Pratchett’s “Night Watch”? (“FREEDOM! REASONABLY PRICED LOVE! AND A HARD-BOILED EGG!”)