[1181] Yuna Kahnwald
└ posted on Thursday, 28 May 2020, by Novil
- Yuna: Allo? Eez thees der motheer of Yuna Williams? Yah?
- Yuna: I em beeg eemportant rezearcher oond I most ask yer to tell yer daughteer folloving formula!
- Ye Thuza: Yuna! Stop the nonsense!
- David: I don’t think this series is suitable for grade schoolers.
- Ye Thuza: Well, Back to the Future was apparently not enough to persuade your daughter not to mess with time travel!
- Cloud: Some weird scientist asked me to tell you that omega squared equals the integral over the n-dimensional Schrödinger sum,… or something like that.
- Yuna: Ooooh!
So Aparently Someone told me to link to string theory:
https://www.britannica.com/science/string-theory
Neither ever
Nor never
If you want to wander down that rabbit hole, there’s another web comic that does that:
http://www.all-night-laundry.com/
“reset temporal position”
The time travel Calvin and Hobbes strips that came to my mind at least… https://web.mit.edu/manoli/mood/www/calvin-full.html
Stein;s Gate!
– What do we want?
– TIME-TRAVELLING MACHINES!
– And when do we want them?
– IT’S IRRELEVANT!
Logically, if anybody invents time-travelling machines in the future, we would already have received their visit. Which means it won’t happen.
A great subversion of this happens in the Thursday Next series, which has time-travelling all over the place. In the middle of the story, the department of time travel realizes that no one has ever invented time travel machines in the whole of history, so they are forced to stop using all their time travel equipment to avoid creating a paradox.
Ratfox wrote:
Or it has happened, but the time travelers kept a low profile.
Too bad Times Like This is only posting intermittently, but the complete history is still on-line.
@ Ratfox:
No Time Travel exists the problem is that you move from one fixed point in SPACE to the same. the void is filled with dead would be chrononaughts.
Looks like someone’s German watching habits are leaking
@ Half-Life-Zim:
That’s why you need something like a TARDIS which is slightly outside of the time-space continuum.
It’s more like Yuna traveled the multiverse! Or made a phone call through it.
@ Cromm:
While taking the phone call YeThuza and Yuna are standing on the very same dresser on the very same window…
Ratfox wrote:
You know Primer? I watched it the other day. In the movie, the time machine just reverses time inside it when it’s on. So you turn the machine on, wait six hours, get in, wait another six hours, get out, and the machine has just turned on.
Under that model of time travel, and under similar ones, you can’t go back in time to before the time machine was created – which makes even more sense since there’s no such thing as a fixed point in space. The time machine would need some kind of spatial anchor – usually either itself or a wormhole – and there aren’t many wormholes around right now.
@ Old Brit:
well there is the quantum leap theory of time travel, where you end up in someone else in the past not as yourself.
Ratfox wrote:
Unless one buys into the theory that the act of traveling through time causes the timeline to branch.
@ Half-Life-Zim:
Atomic Robo himself even calls this out on the first page of “Why Atomic Robo Hates Dr. Dinosaur”: https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/5087109.html
Ratfox wrote:
Although it could be the case that any time we might travel in to the past, what we did in the past has already happened, so history isn’t changed. However, if this isn’t te case, than with time traveling, we don’t just have to be careful to not make a paradox or change major events in history, we just can’t do it! Even the smalllest change in history could and very probably would have massive effects on the history of the universe! For example,if you went back to the time of dinosaurs a few milion years before the asteroid hit, The added weight if you and your time machine could cause a (very) slight change in the Earth’s orbit, which, after a few million years, cause the planet to be in a completly different spot in its orbit when the asteroid goes by. Or, if you save someone’s life, they might become president of the USA instead of, say, Abraham Lincoln!
It’s more like Yuna traveled the multiverse! Or made a phone call through it.@ Moatl:
Exactly. Yuna made a call to a parallel universe where she doesn’t know that omega squared equals the integral over the n-dimensional Schrödinger sum… or something like that.
Moatl wrote:
Exactly. Yuna made a call to a parallel universe, an alternate reality where she doesn’t know that omega squared equals the integral over the n-dimensional Schrödinger sum… or something like that.
reminds me of a particular rick+morty episode… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAMoWEwK-4A
Okay, I don’t read German (my great grandma would be embarrassed that I can’t), so: This first panel has a German-accented scientist, because for many of us Anglophones, German is a big language of science.
Is the German-language version of today’s comic any different? What do Germans do when they want to use shorthand for “sciency type”?
That girl will unravel the very fabric of our universe, then put it back together the way she wants it.
with time travel you have only 3 possibilities 1D Time, 2D/3D Time, and 4D Time.
1. no quantum effects, Time-Travel only to the past, arrival in past would cause a temporal incursion that would result in time afterwards being rewritten.
If you received a message or media from the future, it would mean the future has already been written,
or that the message/media would cause events leading to the creation of the future it depicts,
meaning nobody would have freewill after the message is received or it would also cause a temporal incursion rewriting the future.
2/3. Quantum effects noticeable, entire multiverse is just an ocean of quantum wave-functions, where wave-functions interact and overlap, the material world condenses out of space-time as the wave-functions collapse, either from interactions of different wave-functions, or by observations from the material world.
2D and 3D Time-Travel doesn’t cause time to be rewritten, a temporal incursion results in the spawning, splitting, feathering and fractalization of timelines.
Paradoxical realities can spawn when the wave-functions caused by time-travel interact with alternate branches of the timeline.
Free agency exists, and actions, and wave-function interactions both create a nearly infinite multiverse.
4. Quantum effects not noticeable, Infinite Quantum verse, multiple parts of the timeline naturally spawn, split, feather, and fractalize, without the need of newer big bangs or artificially caused time-travel.
Every possible probability exists, along infinite timelines.
Free agency still exists, but for every action, alternate verisons of yourself also choose the other probabilities.
Or you could argue that your actions force the other versions to choose other options.
Or that their actions force you to choose the path you did, because the other timelines were already occupied.
You could be walking down the street, and suddenly walk out of a wormhole 1000 years into the past or future.
Of course another version of you never left the present, he’s still walking down the street on the way to work, never knowing another version of himself will never get to see his family ever again.
given that we can observe Quantum effects in the laboratory, such as the quantum twin slit light and electron physics test, that proves that we live in a universe with 2 or 3 dimensions of time, and that the universe is not limited to a single dimension of time, and that the universe does not have more than 3 temporal dimensions.
meaning we live in a universe with a total of 5 or 6 dimensions of space and time, no more, and no less.
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Time-travel in 2d or 3d temporal dimensions would never endanger the original timeline. As any time you try to leave or enter a timeline you would cause the timeline to split. A prime reality where the time-travel didn’t occur and a secondary timeline where the time-travel does occur. Because of this time-travel would be perfect for historians to study the past, without worrying about altering the future.
As a result there would never be a rule against time-travel, because you can’t change the past. You can only spawn a new timeline as it splits off the prime timeline. And you could use your own wave-function temporal signature as a map to return to your original timeline. Though you’d actually be returning to a Tertiary branch Two splits after your original departure. Leaving the Secondary branch where you time travelled to the past, but never returned to the future. Meaning your family and friends would never see you again, as you just ceased to exist.
It’s at this point things get complicated, because unless you have a way to target a single timeline, anytime you try to time-travel, a clone of you will appear in every timeline that has the same time and date, as the one you were hoping to visit.
Sure you want to go and visit a date in the history of your timeline, but lots of parallel timelines have the same time and date. sure you will end up in the past exactly where you want, But there’s also a high probability that you end up in all the adjacent realities as well.
Sure you could end up in our 1970’s populated with hippies, but there might be a version of you that suddenly finds himself in a reality where Hitler’s Nazi’s won World War 2.
Or an alternate reality where the dinosaurs never went extinct, and humans had to evolve alongside giant reptiles, instead of, or including woolly mammoths.
A time machine isn’t like a plane that you can hire a pilot to test for you. They would only send a scientist or engineer that actually built the time machine, or was taught how to build one.
They would have to understand how it worked well enough to be able to repair it, or rebuild it from scratch, if something went wrong.
Because we’re talking about time-travelling, trying to pinpoint a time and location on a planetary rock, that includes a molten mantle, and at one time was mostly or completely molten on the surface.
That planet is flying around a star, at very fast speeds, that star is also going at very fast speeds around the galaxy. Not to forget to mention that our star isn’t from the milky way, our star was captured from the sagittarius satellite galaxy, that orbits the milky way at very fast speeds.
So at some time in the past our star was in orbit around the sagittarius satellite galaxy, where the orbit was likely a lot faster than our current orbit around the milkyway.
And the milky is flying through space away from the center of the universe.
If you went even a second backwards in time you’d be lucky if you didn’t find yourself in the center of the planet, or crashing onto the moon, or falling into the sun, depending on the time of year, and your vector of momentum.
Time-travel into the past or future doesn’t just mean crossing across time. We’re talking about having to track a planet, star, Galaxy, and Dwarf Galaxy across Light-years, if not Light-Milleniums of distance depending how far in time you wanted to travel.
Well time travel is possible using wormholes but size is a factor. Possibly we are being observed right now by microscopic drones that travel through wormholes to small to see with the naked eye.
Gamesman wrote:
Given that said wormholes are, as far as we can tell, part of black holes, any attempt to send a drone through one is going to result in it getting spaghettified long before it can actually breach the wormhole.
@ Mechwarrior:
actually a wormhole is defined as a hole in the fabric of space-time. given current theories of gravity, and blackholes, and how space-time warps around large gravity wells, it’s probably unlikely you’d find a wormhole connected to a blackhole.
Given that space-time gets compressed near an event horizon, time may literally just slow down, till it just stops at the edge of a blackhole’s event horizon.everything being pulled towards the poles, till it’s annihilated into hawkings radiation at the polar jets.
inside the event horizon, may be a hollow sphere of compressed matter created when the original star exploded and left a black hole.
or it may be a singularity of compressed matter that has eaten all the matter and space-time, within the event horizon.
Given that nothing can cross the event horizon it likely isn’t a wormhole.
in theory if you had a giant ring or torus made of neutron-star material, or dark matter, and spun it fast enough to prevent it from collapsing into a ball, it could be enough to tear a hole in space-time. but not sure how you would control where the new worm hole would connect to. other than making two of them at the same time, and moving them to different locations. but good luck trying to move two spinning wheels of gravitational death.
My own theory is that Yuna invented a device she added to their home phone which make the phone capable of calling other universes. That said, that’ll be one hell of a long distance call, imagine the bill from that!
You really want the kids to stop messing with time travel? Steins Gate. Followed directly by Steins Gate 0 .
I know we’ve already made a joke about that in an early strip, but call backs are fun. Also I wanna see someone in Nyan^2 cosplay.
@ Ratfox:
I mean, the only feasible time travel method we’ve become cognizant of is fixed point wormholes, which need to be opened manually, kept wide enough for something to travel through, and held open for someone to come back through. Essentially, it’s a door that has to be held open. Really wish that the one that they tried to make in 2014 worked, because going back even that far would be incredibly helpful.
*Hangs up phone*
Allo? Allo?
The_Shadow wrote:
Might as well. The “big important researcher’ bit was lifted directly from Calvin and Hobbes by itself anyway.
If she can’t be dissuaded then at least show her Proper time travel scenarios so she knows what doing it correctly looks like.
“your daughter”
Wow…
In the future, I used to mess around with time travel, but I gave it up a long time ago. All my experiments went wonky and eventually I decided it was more trouble than it will be worth.
TwoTail wrote:
Yeah, Momma is pretty pissed at the kid right now.
Back to the Future would be a terrible example to use to discourage time travel, because Back to the Future doesn’t make sense. What you need is a movie that has a sensible, self-consistent model of time travel that ends tragically. I recommend Timecrimes (2007), Time Lapse (2014) and Predestination (2014).
@ Ratfox:
Certain models of General Relativity permit time travel but forbid time travel to times before the invention of time machines.
ValdVin wrote:
Native German here…
Yuna uses a French accent, which makes some sense from a quantum physics pointnof view – CERN resides in a french speaking region.
To German ears, French – while being one of the traditional languages of science – is most strongly associated with arts and literature.
English or Russian would also be convincing „scientist“ accents for Gernan ears. It would depend a bit on their field of research – English for anything computer related, Russian for traditional physics / mathematics and engineer sciences.
@ Gene Boecker:
Oh no, it updates daily! I’m never going to get to the end. Why would you do this to me? The first two chapters are pretty cool though.
The Calvin and Hobbes strip this reminds me of is the one where Calvin tries to get the librarian to tell him the words for “disgustink bodily fungzions”.
Ok, so Ye Thuza recognized Yuna’s voice and did not transmit the formula. I guess the last panel means that Yuna managed to trick Cloud into doing it though…
@ Ratfox:
There’s an easy workaround. Time machines can only go as far back as the moment they were turned on, and only as far forward as the moment they are turned off.
Is she trying to send the message that time travel makes your life a poorly-directed mess that can’t find actors capable of emotion beyond “serious pretention” and “weirdly constipated?”
I really wanted to like Dark, but the storytelling, the musical direction, the camerawork, the acting, and the fact that they seemed to think that showing clips of people doing nothing in brief skirts made for ominous foreshadowing was just too frustrating.
Heheh, Dark, I enjoyed that – the first season of it that I saw, at least. I still fear it would only give Yuna bad ideas though.
Old Brit wrote:
Be honest. What do you think the first thing a Youtuber with a time machine would do?
@ Apparatus:
Goodbye…