Iraqi refugee gets it right
└ posted on Sunday, 4 June 2017, by Novil
I found the following opinion piece/sketch by the Iraqi satirist and human-rights activist Faisal Saeed Al Mutar to be exceptionally witty and to the point:
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I found the following opinion piece/sketch by the Iraqi satirist and human-rights activist Faisal Saeed Al Mutar to be exceptionally witty and to the point:
Yep, you created them. Not in the romantic way like he says, but literally, sending them weapons and encouraging to overthrow sane secular regimes which kept this kind of people down. Sometimes brutally. Now tell me it wasn’t justified. The guy who blew up Manchester comes from a family which contributed several trained anti-Gaddafi fighters. For social and geopolitical reasons, your tax money goes directly into training and arming these people.
The rest of the post is hilariously on point.
Well, yes, it somehow describes the stance of certain ideological groups. However, it does not say *why* they talk such bull. I mean, honestly, if the green oder left party were honestly “antiracist” they would long ago have started to hold antiracism demonstrations against Isis. After all, slave markets, ethnic cleanings & their open statements are simply impossible to overlook.
The horrifying truth however is, these troups were never antiracist. If you look closely, they always and only selectively criticized western countries. And they didn’t do it, because these western countries did anything wrong. They did it, because they were free market. They simply don’t care about intolerance, or women’s rights or racism – they just follow their ideology.
Found his FB page, but it’s a bit of a slog to find the original post. Dude puts in the work! Could you give us the link?
So, according with that writer, when a fundamentalist Christian goes on a shooting rampage justified by literal interpretations of the Bible (it happens more often than you’d think!) we’d have full reason to dismiss the whole religion as violent and diseased and treat every single Christian as a potential threat?
@ Pylgrim:
You might have missed the part where Christians are explicitly told to turn the other cheek as a blanket statement, by the Son of God, and Muslims are explicitly told, by the final Prophet, to convert or kill non believers and blasphemers, as multiple blanket statements. Yes, some are circumstantial, some are localised, but many are broad and open-ended. Christ did not instruct his followers to kill others if they did not convert, and never called for terror.
A Christian going on a shooting spree is not following Christ’s teachings or example.
A Muslim following their Prophet’s words and example, is not a bad Muslim.
Christians overwhelmingly denounce murder done supposedly in God’s name. Many Muslims do the same, but it is ridiculously far from all internationally, and many Mosques support and, actively or passively, encourage terrorism.
@ Jake:
To be fair, both religious texts contain some encouragement to violence. You could argue whether Coran or Bible contains more or less, but it certainly is here. People not exactly forget, but choose not to accent, for some reason, that both Holy Books were written fairly long ago, and the standards were a wee bit different in the time. ( And for the religious side of the question: books may be divinely inspired, but were written by people living in that age, who interpreted them in the lens of their belief, experience, and common practice.) So there, two thousand years ago ( a little less, I know ) it was okay to write “Kill the xenos, purge the heretic, burn the mutant”, ( the quote may or may not be an accurate representation of a typical violent encouragement contained in your holy sacrament, please consult the nearest priest.) but now it’s not.
I blame violent video games. 😀
@ Yolo:
That’s the first time I’ve seen Baathism referred to as “sane”, since it explicitly blended fascism, Islam, and Communism, and is represented in it’s last stronghold by a regime murdering more civilians than ISIS does, even on a per capita basis.
Pylgrim wrote:
Really? I would be curious to see some references to that. How many do you got?
@ Jake:
Have you read all the Qumran or only have heard in passing of those choice passages? The Bible has several passages which, if taken out of context and literally could be quite horrible sounding as well, such as the one that encourages people to sing and cheer as they bash God’s enemies’ babies against the walls. Are you so sure that the Qumran has no instructions or encouragements to compassion, generosity or basic humanity?
Pylgrim wrote:
I didn’t read Qur’an but I believe those Imams did. There is suspicious shortage of Muslims using citations of Qur’an to prove that what those terrorists do is not according to Qur’an.
Jake wrote:
Exodus 22:18
Jake wrote:
You mean the part where Christus was instructing people to force others to break roman laws? https://sites.ualberta.ca/~cbidwell/DCAS/third.htm
Sure, better that “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” … wait. Actually, in the social context of that time, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” was calling for LIMITS on vengeance. It was saying “eye for an eye, NOT MORE”.
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Taking holy texts written thousand(s) years ago literally is BAD. Most Christians realized it. Did Muslims? Most of them?
Omg, I had read this imagining Polandballs.
To the point?
Sure if the point is just throwing our hands up in the air and declaring all Muslims are inherently evil and must renounce their religion or die.
It’s easy to mock the “religion of peace” rhetoric but unless you enjoy making war on a billion people I have more respect for those who seek peace in the face of provocation than those who do nothing but incite more violence.
The only way this works is to deal with the extremists and tolerate the rest of the Islamic world. Deal with it.