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- Sign: CLOSED
- Cloud: Closed?
- Dorothy Cambridge: Yep! I’ve ordered the closure of all boy’s rooms!
- Cloud: WHAT!?
- Dorothy Cambridge: I can’t believe that there are still public institutions in which boys are allowed to expose their privates just inches away from members of the better sex!
- Dorothy Cambridge: It’s high time to put an end to these repulsive activities!
- Poster: REAL MEN DON’T PEE!
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@ Geary:
“Anti-Fem Tirade or Just Plain Ignorant”. That’s a nice false dichotomy you’ve got there. Would be a shame if somebody punched a hole in it. Allow me to disabuse you of some notions…
Contrary to your assumed belief, there are quite a few “Feminists” (Quotes because what they propose comes across nothing like the Second-Wave Feminism that got it where it is today. Ironically, many of their stances were once strawmen arguments used to try criticizing Second-Wave Feminism.) that make Mrs Umbridge erm…excuse me, Ms. Cambridge there look like Babby’s First Activist. I’m all for equality and egalitarianism, but from what I’ve seen from Third-Wave Feminism, they tend more towards promoting Feminine Superiority than Equality, and tend to either deny or belittle the fact that equality issues exist on BOTH sides of the gender arena, where those acknowledging or fixing those issues does not directly give advantage to women.
I will note that I am not opposed to equal rights and representation under the law. But this “Radical notion that women are people” is B.S. Only the most inhuman and sociopathic amongst us would contend that women are not people, so the notion is not that radical. It’s a thinly-veiled “You’re either with us or against us” statement. I am not even opposed to working in activism alongside feminists, assuming they actually want to promote Equality of Opportunity.
To cite one particular example of this trope, @LaughGirl would be a prime example of someone I would likely pursue activism alongside. She’s capable of recognizing satire for what it is, and understands that it’s not the moderates of an ideology that get worked up over satire, but the zealots/extremists, allowing themselves to get whipped into a fury like European Muslims over Salman Rushdie or Charlie Hebdo. Accordingly, she takes it in stride, showing her stripes as a moderate and one who is actually concerned about making a lasting difference for the better. And for that, she has my respect.
The rest of the “Feminists” in this comment section flipping their lids over what is an obvious satire of an extremist, and they know who they are…have nothing but my contempt. Their reactions in the face of a situation they could use to further their case and get moderates like myself to see their points, belie their motivations. Satire stings those it targets, because we internalize the criticism. Moderates like LaughGirl recognize the satire for what it is and laugh at it. Those who are incapable of looking past enforcing their own ideologies onto others, however, get offended and outraged. Take a look in the comments, and tell me how many moderates, compared to zealots, you see in there, judged by reactions, and then tell me that the zealots are a “sliver of a minority” of modern feminism…
Preadatordetector wrote:
I think it’s just ‘i just ridiculed landon’s mother by making her witch hunt larisa’ to ‘now I’m ridiculing pseudo science by making them shut down the boy’s restroom’. In fact, from a natural science perspective, both larisa mother & mrs cambridge are one and the same, despite ‘claiming’ they would be different politically 😉
Finally, an excuse to go to the girl’s bathroom.
This is one of my favorite comic series. Technically. I am on both sides of the feminism thing, for some of the ideas and against others. But I know that not that many feminists are like this, and I already see this sh|t on every other orfice of the Internet… Now I have to see it here too. Thanks S&W. Just give it a rest, geez. Make a quick funny point but allow people to realize that this is a men oppressing/hating person, not a feminist.
How the hell did she get permission to do that? It’s not just immoral, It’s stupid.
Straw Feminist much? I expected better from you guys.
Most of the time this comic seems to support ideals of sexual equality (in terms of both gender and sexuality), but here you are portraying a stereotype that has turned feminism into a dirty word! That is not helping matters!
I can only hope this person turns out to be T.J. Kincaid disguised as a woman and trying to make feminists look bad, or something, because this is just getting ridiculous.
Incidentally, if anyone is thinking of accusing me of being a “white knight” I think I should point out that medieval knights were generally far more chauvinistic than chivalrous.
@ Lykas:
Actually, for the reason why there’s a line: Look in your pants. Now Google image a vulva. You should be able to see why it takes so much longer for women now. They also can’t hold it in as well, walking while holding it in can cause leakage so distance is a bigger issue, and they need to go more frequently, due to the different structure of their internal sexual anatomy. There is a line in front of many (although not all, or even most) women’s restrooms in crowded places ENTIRELY because of the anatomical structure of a woman’s body.
@ Publius:
Damn, man. Take my fucking job, why don’t you? Am I even needed here anymore? No? Well, I guess I’ll go do something else instead of debating brainwashed radfem morons, seems like you’ve got that part covered.
@ JadedAria
I wish I could like this twice.
@ Ross:
No, don’t worry. It is only white-knighting if you try to score with a specific woman.
Personally I liken overly sensitive male feminist allies more to Don Quixote de la Mancha, who – after a reading a few romance novels too much – rode out to fight the giants in the name and for the honor of the sweet Lady Dulcinea, than to typical depictions of Galahad or Lancelot.
If it is any consolation, it is a parody.
@ Geary:
He’s not serious, dummy.
Okay, well, my role of debating the idiots that get upset at the comic has been officially taken, so I’ll go into something else related to the comic, then.
I’m actually for getting rid of mens’ rooms. Except, here’s the shocker: I’m for getting rid of womens’ rooms too. Also, the mens’ and womens’ locker rooms and other similar facilities. Not closing them, just tearing the mens’ and womens’ signs off the door, replacing all the urinals with stalls and being DONE with this whole fucking thing. I want co-ed everything because it has proven time and time again where it has been implemented that co-ed facilities just WORK BETTER and do NOT increase sexual harassment or assault, they avoid the social issues like which restrooms transgender individuals should use and they avoid the sexism and fridge logic behind us actually having sexually segregated facilities in the first place. They are BETTER for EVERYONE involved, sans the short initial period where the people using them (both sexes, not just women) are uncomfortable with them until they get used to them.
And there, you have it. That’s my radical opinion on mens’ restrooms and this whole shebang.
Is it wrong that I want to punch her?
@ MetalGenocide:
Wrong to want to? Nope. Wrong to actually do it? Yes.
@ Gargoil-Cat:
“Oh, that’s just silly! You can’t oppress the oppressors, and boys are the oppressors!”
or
“Well, it’s high time they learned some discipline and had a taste of their own oppressive medicine!”
Or else she’d have another insane reply which, to her, makes perfect sense… @_@
@ Random lurker:
I assume she wall between the two bathrooms isn’t that thick. Nevermind it’s thick enough that no one can see through it or … do anything else to breach its integrity. *cough* >_>;
“And on that day, every tree in a wide area felt a cold shudder go up its bark, and wondered why it was having such a frightening feeling of impending doom…”
@ Rock:
I’ve heard feminists say both, it’s not very far fetched. Although I’ve never seen feminists argue against mens’ restrooms, instead arguing against co-ed restrooms claiming that men are horrible demons, with minds composed entirely of sex and violence with no self control and co-ed restrooms would have women raped every hour because men can’t be in the same room as a woman in any state of slight undress without raping her. I’ve also heard them say the same about nudist colonies. And the facts say they’re totally full of shit, but feminists have never once cared how full of shit they were so that deterred them not one iota. But that kind of argument, even if it’s for a position they’ve never held to my knowledge, wouldn’t surprise me.
Honestly, I already thought Cambridge was off her rocker when she cited Elizabeth Báthory as some sort of role model in front of school children. Now, I’m curious how long it’ll be before we see her walking around with her underwear on her head… @_@ This is not a feminist. This is an escaped lunatic!
@ Rock:
Of what? That they’ll get watered a bit more often, that there will be minerals they can harness in that water, or that it’ll be warm so they can absorb it faster? Sorry to kill your joke, but it just makes no sense.
@ Avian Mosquito:
You mean the straw feminists, though, right? ^^; There have been truly excellent feminists throughout history and they survive to this day. It’s just the straw feminists that give them all a bad name.
@ Rock:
You have no idea what that phrase means. And no, I don’t.
No, it is not.
Ask the cleaning crew in any given music club…
@ CDRom11_2007:
I’d say that this has gotten out of hand, but that was probably two strips ago.
@ ekimmak:
Oh, shut up. This woman is a parody of the kind of sexist assholes that exist within the “feminist” movement today. It’s not even about all feminists, and it’s doing its job as a parody adequately.
All these people going on about how the woman is going overboard and sexist, really guys, by now you’d think to have figured out the formula for this comic.
This is all a setup for a massive joke/tear down from a certian pyromanic blonde to prove herself as being everything the feminist are trying to prove women are not, sending Umb** into a catonic state.
Remember what her holloween outfit was a few years back?
Avian Mosquito wrote:
I thought it meant this: “A character whose “feminism” is drawn only for the purposes of either proving the character wrong or ridiculing them.”
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrawFeminist
@ Avian Mosquito:
The joke was more that few creatures enjoy being pee’d on. ^^ Don’t take it too seriously.
@ Rock:
And that’s NOT what a “feminist” scumbag spewing misandrist hate speech qualifies as. None of the evil, disgusting monsters lurking around Tumbler and Witchwind qualify as straw feminists, and many are more extreme, and indeed more evil, than this woman displayed here. You INSTANTLY shot down YOURSELF with your OWN source.
@ Nachtschattengewächs:
I’ll make a note of that. Personally I just happen to have friends and relatives who happen to be female, as I’m sure most men do.
I know it’s parody, and perhaps I am over-reacting because this is not usually the angle that Sandra and Woo takes on these matters, but parody or not, characters like this can very quickly give the wrong impression in a context like this.
Landon’s mother was portrayed as having extreme views, but portrayed in a very particular way that made her look like simply a crazy individual, something the comic is full of, but this character is portrayed as being part of some oppressive organisation of “moral police” (apparently made up of man-hating pseudo-feminists) who have somehow infiltrated the board of education, it’s a very different situation presented in a way that gives the impression of someone who represents a group, and since her views can be seen as “ultra-feminist” she can be seen as being a portrayal of feminism, if you get my meaning. It’s also such a ridiculous situation that it’s more breaking of the suspension of disbelief than talking raccoons and martial-arts-master mothers combined.
However, I’m going to wait a bit and trust that Mr. Knorzer is going somewhere with this. Perhaps someone takes it upon themselves to show this person that feminism is about equality and not simply a reversal of oppression. Again, this character and the way she and her cronies are portrayed took me somewhat by surprise considering the comic’s usual tone.
I think people need to stop calling her a feminist. She is just a crazy that co opts the phrase. Meanwhile, cloud’s face is adorable. Poor kid.
@ Ross:
Totally missing the point of the parody. It NEEDS to be like this to get the point across.
@ LaughGirl:
Not sure whether to downvote you for your ridiculous “no true scotsman” fallacy or upvote you for commenting on the cuteness of a child. I think I’ll go with the former.
Now lets say Larisa and Landon are in the same class…
@ Iris:
Go on.
@ LaughGirl:
Agreed on both counts. ^^
Last time, I talked about her ignoring biological truths and she is continuing to show her ignorance of mammalian biology. Teachers are supposed to be showing their students how to discover the truth. Well, I guess in this regard, she will accomplish that goal, but not in way that she intended. I suspect that her students will see through her layers of falsehood and discover the truth for themselves. They might even be able to peel back the layers of the onion to find a little girl that suffered such abuse to inspire this level of prejudice and hate.
@ Avian Mosquito:
Avian Mosquito wrote:
Come now, we don’t need to be re-enacting the tactics of folks such as Chanty Binx (Reference Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80 ). While it will feel satisfying to tell them to “Shut up”, all it does is further cement them in their ideological grip, and persuade them that they’re in the right. Carefully reasoned and well-phrased persuasive argumentation is the way to go here, if we ever hope to gain any ground in convincing those that aren’t aware, that there is a malignant undercurrent in the modern feminist movement. Remember that most of these types of folks have never met the folks calling for castration or a “Matriarchy”. They’ve primarily been exposed only to the PC-side of Third-wave Feminism.
While the rest of your argument was accurate, and cogent, I am afraid your opener will do more to dissuade him from the accuracy of your claims than your anger will. Anger is okay, but venting it on people who disagree is going to hurt your argument more than help it.
K…. this chick’s obviously absolutely crazy. Like… I’m afraid to have my children around her…. She’s the extreme feminist that gives us all a bad, bad name, aking to Phil Phelps, or Ken Ham to Christians. But still good for a laugh. So yeah…. Cops? Wanna step in now?
@ Publius
With all due respect, I disagree. Usually somebody thoroughly set in their bubble is beyond hope, but when they’re not they usually will still blindly reject civilized discussion and need to be shocked, shaken or jarred to be swayed. So these things are either no more useless than any other tactic, or could actually work. Granted, I just don’t have the patience for a calmer presentation and I’m not trying to win this person over, but my approach is still not a bad one in all circumstances like you’re saying.
I would laugh, but it is not that far from the truth in some places in the United States. Not split on gender lines, but on worker/management lines. There are companies right now who only allow their work force 6 minutes of bathroom break a week. Not a day, per week. And if they go over, they get pay cuts.
@ Avian Mosquito:
Avian Mosquito wrote:
Fair enough. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose. Just like the difference between Hitchens and Harris, each approach has it’s Pros and Cons, so I can’t fault that logic. My own argumentation style is more akin to Harris’, so I suppose I have stumbled across a “Hitchens”, so to speak, as far as argumentation goes. I’ve just never been a fan of the approach, as it’s never seemed too effective when I see it used. But, if you can get it to work, I’ll leave you to it. 🙂
I love the over-the-top humor… Especially the comment about the penis being a social construct.
The scary part is that some people actually believe this. Though the most amusing irony is that she is drawn as the perfect stereotype of the ultra-feminist. Overweight, unattractive and deluded as hell. She probably also thinks men are ‘just one mistake’ away from rape.
In all honesty, the real villain is not the new teacher, but the chronically stupid principle. Remember his reaction to a student requiring Insulin? I give him credit for having a far more vocal and surprisingly loathsome distraction from his own ingrained stupidity and evil.
Final note… Why is there a man helping that woman?
@ Publius:
Honestly, I usually go for a middle ground. I’m angry, and I don’t hide it, but I keep focused and direct. Right now, though, it’s too fucking hot, I’m too fucking tired and I’m too fucking impatient to even try to be civil about it.
@ Grog:
That man is likely brainwashed, like all the male supporters of this woman’s particular brand of feminism.
Also, in this case, the principle probably just doesn’t have a choice. And he’s the zero-tolerance, no human judgement allowed, lazy-ass, lawful stupid non-administrator seen in most schools, so he probably never even tried to give this any thought anyway, just like with the drugs, and it’s hard to call him evil… Really, he’s just shockingly lazy, stupid and inept. Which does not make him evil.
Grog wrote:
I would assume for the same reason why we have men that jump on the Third-wave Feminism bandwagon. I could give my speculations, but they would only be that, speculations. Not to mention the problem of trying to address a blanket-idea with a single or couple reasons alone.
Avian Mosquito wrote:
Understandable. It’s unbearably hot here as well, but then that’s typical for River-valley summers. We find that ice pops are a good way to stay cool in this type of weather, just a helpful suggestion. 😉
@ Publius:
But what if you’re dirt poor, and have to deal with all that heat while in bed with a preteen next to you, sweating up a storm in her sleep? (Normally I don’t mind my little girl’s cuddliness, but DAMMIT, it’s hot enough WITHOUT her.) I don’t think ice-pops are going to cut it.
@ Avian Mosquito:
Okay, I’m not dirt poor. I’m low-income, low-expense, and overall doing fairly well under the circumstances. But the other part with the cuddly 12-year old LIVING SPACE HEATER is totally true.
Avian Mosquito wrote:
If you have the funds to have power going to the freezer, an ice cube tray, and enough loose change to buy some generic Flavor-aid (Maybe some sugar, easily borrowable from a neighbor, so not factored into overall costs) then that’s all you need. Just whip up a batch of cheap flavored drink minus a little bit from the typical amount of sugar (the tartness keeps the salivary glands going, which helps sate thirst), and pour the result into the trays. If you’re not squeamish about stains and getting your hands sticky, you can just pop them out of the tray and consume like that. Suck on them like ice cubes. Otherwise, anything from whittled sticks to skewer-sections can be used as popsicle-type sticks.
Most of us down here have table and box fans we run, regardless of whether or not we have central air in the house during the summer. Push comes to shove, there’s always the creeks that feed the river to go wading in (Nobody in their right mind goes swimming in the river itself. Too much industrial and sewage runoff from upstream, where the capitol dumps their junk into it).
Hopefully, that info can be of some service. And I’m sure your little one wouldn’t mind the homemade ice-pops or Creekwading bit any, either. 🙂
@ Publius:
First explain how to get to my freezer from my current position to make or serve them, where I should mention I already have vanilla icecream and in the fridge we have chocolate syrup and cut-up strawberries, and on the counter bananas and ground nuts, so really the only issue is getting out of bed from where my daughter is still fast asleep, clinging directly to me in a way that says “Daddy ain’t going anywhere.”, and showing no sign of waking up for at least another hour or two, and possibly more.
By the way, that run-on was a disgrace to the English language, and I am ashamed. Not ashamed enough to fix it, but ashamed nonetheless.