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![[0929] Shouldn’t Have Said That!](/comics/2017-10-16-0929-shouldnt-have-said-that.png "[0929] Shouldn’t Have Said That!")
- Sandra: Vega’s really loving you to bits, Luna, huh?
- Benjamin: That’s because she’s such a sweet cutie pie!
- Sound: The chirping of the crickets
- Benjamin: I just remembered that I forgot to turn off the stove! See you soon!
- Larisa: You stay right here, young man!
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Marscaleb wrote:
There’s nothing wrong with it in itself (circumstances may make it wrong to say that, but no such circumstances are present), but it’s rather embarrassing for him. He just accidentally said something that sounds like the declaration of affection for a girl he’s not together with and presumable nobody even knew he had the eyes on, in a room full of other people.
Crystalgate wrote:
Indeed, and considering how red his cheeks get from that, we can assume he indeed does have a crush on her, and probably simply never admitted it.
I don’t know what they have. He just stated an objective truth…
Robert wrote:
Oh, it’s not scandalous. It’s just unmanly. Guys (especially at that age) aren’t supposed to be SENTIMENTAL!
Going by the standards by which men are judged for their manliness, the manliest character in this comic would be Ye Thuza.
ajgelado wrote:
Or set something on fire. She’ll settle for that, too.
@ Marscaleb:
There’s nothing inherently wrong with it but it raises a question and his reaction answers it adorably.
@ Ramires:
Raccoons DOwalk upright from time to time, they are perfectly capable of doing many things that humans can do. They’re the humans of the feral animal kingdom.
I’m so oblivious I honestly thought he was complimenting Vega and not Luna for a moment.
@ Manabi:
I find that beyond stupid. There was absolutely no reason to fire somebody for what is, at best, perceived slights by over-sensitive peons on social media.
So what if the female developers were called ‘pretty’? Did the PR person intend to diminish anyone’s accomplishments? I very much doubt it. If somebody were to say that ‘these handsome dudes are developing a game’, would that lessen the fact that they were talented? Not at all. If I complement a fellow co-worker on their good looks on the job, should I be fired for unprofessional behaviour?
Here’s a better question: Were any of the actual developers themselves offended? The answer was no. None of them stepped forward and said that they were. It was a bunch of people who were getting offended on THEIR behalf, as usual, inclusive of some jackass on Twitter who didn’t even share the same GENDER as the people in question.
On a side note, said people who got this poor woman fired ran with their tails between their legs, either protecting their accounts, or whining about being ‘victimized’ on Twitter whilst conveniently hiding the reason why (the guy who started the controversy to begin with in particular.)
With regards to the comic, I have no idea why this was even brought up in the first place.
It’s just an innocent kid who may harbour a crush on Luna making an awkward statement that basically blurts out that he might “like her like her.” Anybody who thinks that the feminist brigade is about to burst through the window and beat the crap out of this guy is reading way too much into this comic.
After all, the last character that tainted these hallowed pages with that nonsense got dealt with by Ye Thuza, and God bless her for that.
All-Purpose Guru wrote:
It actually is getting to the point where people can’t say anything nice about anyone without getting into trouble with the PC police, particularly in the workplace.
Granted, it may depend on the situation. However, because it depends far more on the opinions and biases of the people in question – as well as everyone above them in positions of authority – common sense is increasingly getting trampled on or thrown out altogether. The fear of getting into trouble for saying something that someone might take offense to or take the wrong way can become overwhelming for some and can lead to walking on eggshells or, in some cases, staying silent.
It’s less that people are afraid to speak up because of pc culture, and more that people who are dismissed for sexism and racism tend to genuinely believe they did nothing wrong. Because it’s part and parcel of their general attitude in the first place.
@ MidoriLuna:
I am not a native english speaker. Did you mean that people not daring to speak up because PC is less of a problem than actual sexists and racists believing they are right?
If not than sorry.
One should differentiate between stating existing biological and cultural differences and deeming people less worthy for them. Or being unwilling to test such stereotypes on concrete occasions.
For stereotypes are originally there for society’s protection.
And one should also differentiate between keeping said stereotypes in check and running down everything that could be interpreted as insulting. Because EVERYTHING can be interpreted as insulting. So we would stand at not daring to speak up at all. And that is not fine. Way not fine.
@ Nikary Flare:
That is what I am saying she was on the other side of the room, then bam right past several people and racoons… how did she do that?
Jack wrote:
I thought that “honor” went to the great apes, particularly the bonobos.
@ meName:
It’s my fault for not making the point clearer. What I’m saying is that ‘pc culture’ tends to be a boogeyman, or a scapegoat, for people who don’t believe they’ve done anything wrong. That belief has permeated culturally to become a defense against… well, you look at things like “Make America Great Again” and the rise of nationalism; it’s a defense against accusations of racism and sexism that tend to be tied to those ideas.
Generally, the stories tied to ‘PC Culture in action’ tend to be overblown and lacking in facts, for an example that ‘female game developer that was fired’ story that was mentioned earlier missed a few points, in that the ‘person who was fired’ was in an unpaid volunteer position, and was representing a company as part of that company’s social media feed when they called a group of female game developers ‘The pretty side of gaming.’ But I digress.
The fact is, people like the more recently mentioned Harvey Weinstein, or people like Bill Cosby, they do not exist in a vacuum. They haven’t lost their position in society due to a miasma of PC Culture, they lost it because they actually did do something wrong, and are now having to live through the results of that. They spent years, decades even, free of consequences or even concerns over consequences because they lived in a time where they were generally untouchable; but now what’s to blame now that they are no longer teflon dons of sexual misconduct? The boogeyman of times, ‘PC Culture’. It’s not *their* fault they harassed those women, it’s *cultures* fault for tarnishing the lifetime reputations of these men based on their few improprietous acts towards women. Hence, the scapegoat is born.
Meh wrote:
So did I!! I was all like, “You hear, Vega! The strange man thinks you are such a cu-wait wait, why is everyone silent all of a sudden?”
If I were actually there, it’d be followed by me back up slowly and then running away when Larisa goes after him. Danger! Incomprehensible social event! Evacuate!
Hah. Social cluelessness is, unfortunately, self-reinforcing cause if you avoid them due to not understanding then you don’t get to learn how they work.
@ Dan:
Well, the exit isn’t to his right and it probably isn’t behind him, as that appears to be an external wall. So his exit route has to be to his left around the group. Larisa just has to go to her right behind the group.
MidoriLuna wrote:
Are you implying that people who are blamed for racism, sexism, sexual harassment or other misconduct are almost always at fault – at least 98% of the time? Maybe you haven’t personally witnessed completely illogical reasoning, false accusations, or unquestionably overblown reactions, but that does not mean that such cases don’t exist. Just because overblown reactions are rarely talked about in the nightly news or mainstream media, that doesn’t mean that such are becoming more commonplace. Mainstream news only covers incidents that they think will help their ratings, with a heavy political bias. Sure, they’ll mention incidents involving celebrities like Bill Cosby. But they won’t mention a complete nobody who lost their career over a Tweet that was misinterpreted or taken out of context, especially if such a story would undermine their alt-left liberal slant. It’s people who have a narrow view of the world – who never research or consider the position of their intellectual opponents – who live in a vacuum. They live on a proverbial island, never understanding what’s over the horizon – how other people think and where they’re coming from. Due to the breakdown of communication between the right and left – each side ignoring what the other has to say – we may never understand each other, let alone come to mutual respect or compromises.
@ Walter:
Well yeah them too, but Raccoons just seem to act more human. They figure out quick how locks work and how to open cans and lids and stuff, plus raccoon kits are adorable and I want twenty.
@ xpacetrue:
Yes but it’s fairly rare that someone actually loses their career over one reported incident. I’ve worked hr before, in most companies there’s a system of warnings and attempts to reconcile the issue internally; unless the company decides on a no tolerance policy and even then, they tend to err on keeping the employee unless there’s actual evidence. Generally, when someone says they’ve been fired for ‘one’ harassment claim, hr will have more claims as a part of their file; but of course, they can’t release that information because of confidentiality concerns.
However, to address your concerns of the rare person fired due to a false harassment claim: yes, I agree that is horrible and shouldn’t happen. I also believe people shouldn’t just be laid off without notice, or be fired due to comments made by angry customers or patrons. But those happen all the time. Because you work at the behest of your company. If you have issue with the company, for example if you were unfairly fired, then legally you have options. But there no ‘pc culture’ at work conspiring to fire you. The simple fact is, harassment happens a lot. Most of it goes unreported. Those that do get reported, we take seriously because it’s a serious issue.
At first I thought he was talking about Vega, and didn’t understand the weirdness. Raccoons are cute as buttons. Then I realized he meant Luna and finally got it.
Why am I surprised? I really shouldn’t be. I should expect this by now.
@ xpacetrue:
So MidoriLuna gave a great factual reply to your post, and I applaud them for it. Me, I’m going to be less intellectual and more hostile: My focus is on your use of the word ‘Alt-Left’.
So the phrase ‘Alt-Right’ was created by the ‘Alt-Right’ as a self-descriptive term. Since then, it very quickly became irretrievably connected with the phrase ‘Neo-Nazi’ because the people calling themselves the ‘Alt-Right’ were in fact, Neo-Nazi’s trying to rebrand themselves.
Following Charlottesville, Donald Trump essentially invented ‘Alt-Left’ as a slur against moderates who protested (peacefully, I will add – with a few exceptions of self-defense against Nazi attackers) his supporter base of fascist nazi ass-holes. The idea is because everyone now rightfully associates ‘Alt-Right’ with ‘Neo-Nazi’, it has become a word for something terrible. By naming people the ‘Alt-Left’ he tars his opponents with the same brush and weakens their influence over those with a more casual awareness of politics.
So, by using the wording, created by an illiterate orange cheesburger to slur the honest and decent people that protest the evil committed in his name, you mark yourself as a member of his cult; and by extension, highlight yourself as a possible member of the Neo-Nazi movement. Just thought you might want to know how it’s perceived.
Usually, I just block anyone using the term (or MAGA, Kek, using that racist-frog avatar, proudly calling themselves Deplorable, etc, etc, etc) but I thought I’d take thirty seconds to give context.
Quick, Benjamin!! Use a distraction! Uhhh…. free Vega!!!
Huh! And here I thought he was referring to Vega. My bad. 🙂
Sandra’s face in the second panel xD
I have to admit that calling the likes of Antifa “moderate peaceful protesters who only attack in self-defense” is pretty nice bait.
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