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- Sandra: What would be great new sports for the Winter Olympics?
- Cloud: Snowboard downhill would be cool.
- Tanja Dörflinger: Women’s doubles Luge.
- Tanja Dörflinger: Four-woman bobsleigh! Men’s doubles skeleton!!
- Sandra: Alright already, Tanja!
- Larisa: … Bobsleigh-luge-skeleton triathlon!
- Tanja Dörflinger: I suddenly have such a tingly feeling between my legs. What is that?
- Sandra: Larisa! Don’t seduce grade schoolers!
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Snowboard downhill WOULD be more than awesome!
Men’s double skeleton…oh, and you thought the sexual jokes about men’s doubles luge were bad….
And Larissa….still serious about becoming a succubus, I see!
VERY serious! 😉 But what about bobsled biathlon? Talk about a winter war . . .
I don’t get it.
100 meter fall.
Javelin Catching.
Full contact hammer throw.
Oh, sorry, WINTER Olympics . . .
Avalanche racing.
Thin Ice Fencing.
Okay, anyone else find this a bit creepy?
DHL thats a funny way to spell alot. but sometime boundery breaking. makes comedy even funnier (:
A small correction. The word “bobsleigh” is British and doesn’t exist in American English. (I had to look it up to make sense of the strip!) Since Larisa is supposed to be American, she would say “bobsled”.
This is all to increase Germany’s medal count isn’t it?
@ DHL:
Yeah, definitely. Novil stepped over the line with this one.
@ Tom:
Still not as bad as that time Larissa seduced Landon with an open-chest dress and a bottle of booze… they had to edit it shortly after it was published.
Meanwhile, as the usual complaints come in, Novil sits there, hands folded… “Yes… yes, my flies… come right into my web… Have exactly the reaction I wish you to have… A-ha-ha-haaaa…”
MathHorn wrote:
Since Oliver is German, which country’s version of English would he be more likely to use here? The one across the English channel or the one on the other side of the world?
@ DHL:
I see no problem. And this is the same compared to any other “I love boy bands” comic strip, it all depends on what you are focusing on.
As for the joke, I think the bobsled-skeleton thing involves stacking sports contestants on a sled that’s sent zooming downhill at great speed. There’s some sort of “personal space violation” going on to start with. I don’t follow sports closely.
Great sports for the winter Olympics- Mounting climbing racing. Mortar tennis. Arrest Escaping Parkour. Censor Police Boxing. 90 degree ice skating. Skiing fencing combination. Leaking ceiling electric hallway can be put in the biathlon. I’d have to leave woman doubles mudwrestling for the Summer Games.
Well, I get two of thoses, but what fun is women’s double luge?
(not native indo-european language speaker askin)
@ Kanga:
In the beginning, it’s just about increasing the number of Bob/Ludge/Skeleton based sports because that’s where the majority of german medals at the winter olympics come from (remember, Tanja is supposed to be german) the ideas just get more and more outlandish.
i don’t get the problem with that last joke. Maybe that’s cultural differences but I don’t see a problem with a joke of Bob, Ludge, Skeleton triatlon being basically a wet dream of germans (that care about olympic medals).
LDT wrote:
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Thin Ice Fencing.
Speaking AS a fencer….yikes.
@ Regis Easquake:
The problem is not this being a wet dream for Germans.
That in itself’d be pretty funny.
But this is not the first time Novil is sexualising minors.
I’m aware that children don’t start puberty at 18 and can have sexual thoughts before that.
However an adult focusing on this in their welcoming gives off a really uncomfortable vibe.
I loved this comic since it had such a good vibe for the majority of it and now I’m not coming back to this website because I can’t agree on the course of this comic anymore.
Novel, you should think about whether or not you want to continue that way and what your kids will say if they ever see this.
ski-boxing…
Don’t forget downhill skating, including humpback downhill skating. A long slope of pure ice… And a huge heap of hay at the end to catch those who don’t make it. 🙂
@ bastischo:
there is no “sexualising of minors”. That would be if they would be shown in some Manga-Loli-fashion. The comic always talked about teenagers growing up and going through puberty – including discovering their sexuality. Remember when Cloud had a boner in the open air swimming pool?
This is not something new.
Pretending teenagers don’t think about sex is not the way to go. The way you show it is important. But it’s not like we see Tanja getting wrecked by an adult bob sled driver her, do we.
Ken wrote:
The one the character would speak. The author’s language or location is irrelevant.
@ DHL:
You are not. My reaction was disgust.
I have no problem with this. It’s entirely keeping within Larissa’s character and Sandra’s indignant reaction is perfectly apt.
DHL wrote:
You must be new here.
Talmor wrote:
Kids have sexual thoughts as well. If a joke about a girl having sexual feelings she doesn’t understand weirds you out too much, that’s on you.
Personally, I find that people have a weirdly high tolerance for jokes about violence, murder and torture and a similarly weirdly low tolerance for jokes about sex.
Is there not already four-woman bobsleigh?
@ Skulker:
Since Tanja is European, it IS realistic for HER to say “bobsleigh”. But then Larisa’s realistic response would have been “Huh? What’s that?”, and we would never have gotten to the punch line.
@Raen: No there isn’t 4-woman bobsled (or “bobsleigh”, if you prefer). The men have 4-man and 2-man sleds, while the women have 2-woman sleds and monobob. The 2026 events are already set, so the earliest that 4-woman bobsled could appear is 2030.
@ hellsheep:
Exactly, and the fact that they saw it that way is slightly concerning imo.
Dysprosium wrote:
Actually, I agree with you on this bit.
Like, in a literal comic about cats, people in the comments wish death and violence upon one or more of the characters – literal cats – and when you point out to them the problem with their suggestion of the entire comment section uniting to beat up a cat, they’ll defend it, justify it and like, give you a whole presentation about why human vs cat would be a fair fight.
But then someone makes that kind of joke about the same comic about two adult consenting characters who just happen to be literal cats, and suddenly everyone does remember it’s a cat comic, and the person who made the joke is called a creep.
Honestly, that kind of duality is far creepier than that kind of jokes.
With that said, I can’t agree with you on your main point, though. I’m not a fan of that kind of jokes in general, and I certainly can’t like it when they’re made about a character that’s not even a teen yet.
MathHorn wrote:
Larisa isn’t a monolingual simplton. given how much this friend group is into internatial media hobbbies, im sure they “sepperated by a common language” issue in english. And given I’m sure every single one have sung “jingles bells” I double noone of woyld be confused by the word “sleigh” that they would not get a bobsled am bobsleigh are the same thing. from context alone
@ DHL:
Yeah, this is messed up. Last Sandra and Woo strip I’ve read.
@ Nikary Flare:
Probably for the best, all things considered.
I second the motion for bobsleigh biathlon. Also regular biathlon but with full power rounds like 7,9×57 or 7,62×54, instead of .22LR. Ski-flying, because watching jumps under 200 meters is boring.
Skate jousting could also be interesting.
I will not lie, this one made me unconfortable.
@ PsihoKekec:
I second both motions. The 7.9×57 would be a perfect German round but since the biathlon is dominated by Scandinavians, the 6.5×55 is the perfect choice.
Skate jousting sounds like something the Canadians would be sharpening their blades for.
G wrote:
I would much prefer it if people didn’t advocate for animal abuse…
I see our local succubus has not stopped honing her skills. Gotta work for her board chair in Hell… 😉
I do wonder, if the phrasing was different – “why do I feel so hot and flustered all of a sudden?” – would there be the same reaction? I think the exact wording might be part of why people are reacting so much to this.
@ Jerf:
It is for me.
How would bobsleigh-luge-skeleton-triatlon even work? Those are 3 downhill sports, do they need to run up the hill after every downhill part? Make it even more fun and the atletes need to take the sled with them back to the start. But I believe langlaufen is the only uphill sport there is in the winter-Olympics.
@ Kanga:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4HyDrlOak0 they are bascically on top of each other
MathHorn wrote:
Given that Larisa is effectively parroting to Tanja her own words, I would argue the usage here is succinct and sensible.
But more confusedly, you had to look it up?
I’m in Canada for linguistic reference, and we primarily use sled here too, but I made the conversion of meaning without even realizing that it was a different word than what I’m accustomed to. Someone else in the thread mentioned Jingle Bells as a common source for knowing the word sleigh and thus the sleigh=sled conversion
Granted, I’m more used to sleigh being in reference to larger crafts designed for pulling with the riders sitting upright (like Santa’s sleigh) and sleds being smaller personal crafts such as those children take to small local hills, with bobsled sitting in the middle and having exclusively olympic connotations from my experience. Though that probably makes the bobsleigh -> bobsled conversion easier.
Maybe it’s because the ever-presence of snow up here just means I think about sleds more often, I dunno
@ AnotherBear:
Since it’s international, shouldn’t we be using 556 NATO rounds?
@ tue:
Ookay… Man with hmmm and woman with oolalaa together to luge
Now I understand Tanja’s tingle!
Roguebfl wrote:
I’m not a monolingual simpleton, either. I speak three languages fluently and thee others to a limited extent. But in my 61 years I had NEVER heard of a “bobsleigh”. I’m not saying it’s a bad term for what we Americans call a “bobsled” . (British English is neither better nor worse than American English.) But it’s a term that (almost) no American would understand, much less use.
For the record, the word “sleigh” certainly exists in American English. It’s a bulky conveyance, pulled by horses (or flying reindeer in Satna’s case), and has nothing to do with sliding down a sheet of snow or ice. That’s what sleds (or toboggans) are for.
Good God! The amount of pearl clutching and virtue signaling is beyond sickening. You were eight once and hung around the water jets at the public pool, too. Grow the F up.
@DHL Yes. :p
And no one give me that “oh, it’s a cultural thing!” crap. I’m Swedish! Our age of consent is 15 and we’re widely known as the biggest perverts in Europe! And yes, I have read media that touched on the sexuality of minors, and not clutched a single pearl in response, either.
But. It’s one thing to acknowledge that kids barely into their teens have fledgling libidos. It’s another to portray an older, more confident, more sexually precocious girl gleefully leading a younger, exaggeratedly-innocent (to the point of apparently not knowing what sexual arousal is) one to a sexual awakening. Because that means you’re not identifying with the pubescent, you’re identifying with someone who’s grooming the pubescent. And that’s freaking creepy.
I hope that makes it clear to everyone.
Yeeeahhhhh…. think you might have crossed the line on this one, Powree.
Like, I don’t think there’s anything funny here, and there IS stuff that is creepy. There’s been a few recently (such as the sexual abuse/pineapple pizza bait and switch http://www.sandraandwoo.com/2017/04/10/0876-under-a-killer-balloon-gone-girl-page-5/) which just felt kind of… skeevy? Make me want to not read the comic so much?
And thing is, I *don’t* remember seeing any like that in the first 2/3rds of the comic, which was mostly just happy kid slice of life stuff. If you wanna evolve from that or bring in gods whatever, that’s one thing…. but showing up to a comic which USED TO BE chill slice of life stuff and recieving “Yo, here’s your daily reminder* of sexual abuse of minors ” is ummmm… not the best feels.
*Note: I state this is a reminder of that stuff. What you’ve portrayed here ISN’T sexual abuse of a minor, its just you know… the punchline of the joke appears to be “We’re sexually grooming a grade schooler! *wiggly eyebrows* “. Pineapple pizza story had similar vibes, in that the punchline was dependent on forcing people to think about some pretty heavy stuff. Which is… not fun?
@DHL: me too
Probably leaving for good.
And I’m not an overly sensitive philistine, but Baerad explained well what’s the problem here.
I remember also the hiding black hole story arc that was pretty – ugh. Just don’t make jokes about preteen sexuality since it’s better for everyone – otherwise it’ll ruin the fun for many readers.