@ Keith:
From what I understood last time around the story, mostly. He’s telling the story with accurate facts, but feelings, motivations, and intentions of the people (and deities) involved are being told with a bias toward Bhaal’s point of view. That’s not to say he’s attempting to be deceptive; he did not appear to be intentionally misleading, he just believes that point of view.
Yeah, that’s my take (and vague recollection from the first time through – which admitedly was quite a while ago.):
He’s being largely truthful as he sees it, but has a strong bias towards Bhaal. I don’t recall if Eldor was a contemporary to Isaac and these events, or if he arose later on; but he’s definitely got a larger “big picture” view of things than most characters. Sometimes he talks like he knows (knew?) Gaia and Bhaal, or at least has a vastly better knowledge of them than anyone else, but I don’t know or recall if it is ever clarified just how much is his own first-hand knowledge.
I think he may also have his own desires and goals (remember his speech about how Gaia denied his request for immortality way, way back?), and since Gaia’s not disposed to allow him, presumably Bhaal is?
One thing that I’m not sure of is that here it talks about Bhaal not allowing people to use the spiritstream for magic. Is it being used for something else instead, or just merely not be allowed to be channeled? Given Eldor’s goal of using magic for immortality, this seems like Gaia (who freed the spiritstream for use in magic) would be more aligned with Eldor’s goals of advanced spellcasting than Bhaal would be.
I’d really love to read some in-depth creator’s overview notes on all this history and background material for this world.
Even though Eldor is proven to be an unreliable narrator on several points, he’s still (during this revel sequence) the most reliable narrator in the story. We don’t find out what happens to all the players, past or present. We don’t find out what happened or to what, about the time sus. shield. At least Eldor is willing to break some rules when they get in the way. In many cases, Eldor is a better main character than Viviana.
In many cases, Eldor is a better main character than Viviana.
It’s not surprising why Eldor sees himself as the main character or the hero of the story. In his eyes he’s the champion who’s going to right the wrongs of a jealous god whose deception plunged the world into chaos and disrupted the natural order of things.
@ Zitchas:
I’m with ya here, I want Novil’s input on what actually is going on. What’s true, what’s fabricated, and what’s a trick? It’s not improbable to me that the Gaia/Bhaal thing is real… but it’s also not beyond me that the random Trias cult is actually the truth either. There isn’t that infalliable mark of divine power bestowed to any characters. It’s just different forms of magic far as I can tell.
Is Eldor a reliable narrator, here?
@ Keith:
From what I understood last time around the story, mostly. He’s telling the story with accurate facts, but feelings, motivations, and intentions of the people (and deities) involved are being told with a bias toward Bhaal’s point of view. That’s not to say he’s attempting to be deceptive; he did not appear to be intentionally misleading, he just believes that point of view.
Yeah, that’s my take (and vague recollection from the first time through – which admitedly was quite a while ago.):
He’s being largely truthful as he sees it, but has a strong bias towards Bhaal. I don’t recall if Eldor was a contemporary to Isaac and these events, or if he arose later on; but he’s definitely got a larger “big picture” view of things than most characters. Sometimes he talks like he knows (knew?) Gaia and Bhaal, or at least has a vastly better knowledge of them than anyone else, but I don’t know or recall if it is ever clarified just how much is his own first-hand knowledge.
I think he may also have his own desires and goals (remember his speech about how Gaia denied his request for immortality way, way back?), and since Gaia’s not disposed to allow him, presumably Bhaal is?
One thing that I’m not sure of is that here it talks about Bhaal not allowing people to use the spiritstream for magic. Is it being used for something else instead, or just merely not be allowed to be channeled? Given Eldor’s goal of using magic for immortality, this seems like Gaia (who freed the spiritstream for use in magic) would be more aligned with Eldor’s goals of advanced spellcasting than Bhaal would be.
I’d really love to read some in-depth creator’s overview notes on all this history and background material for this world.
Even though Eldor is proven to be an unreliable narrator on several points, he’s still (during this revel sequence) the most reliable narrator in the story. We don’t find out what happens to all the players, past or present. We don’t find out what happened or to what, about the time sus. shield. At least Eldor is willing to break some rules when they get in the way. In many cases, Eldor is a better main character than Viviana.
Vicious Sand wrote:
It’s not surprising why Eldor sees himself as the main character or the hero of the story. In his eyes he’s the champion who’s going to right the wrongs of a jealous god whose deception plunged the world into chaos and disrupted the natural order of things.
@ Zitchas:
I’m with ya here, I want Novil’s input on what actually is going on. What’s true, what’s fabricated, and what’s a trick? It’s not improbable to me that the Gaia/Bhaal thing is real… but it’s also not beyond me that the random Trias cult is actually the truth either. There isn’t that infalliable mark of divine power bestowed to any characters. It’s just different forms of magic far as I can tell.