[0601] New School Uniforms
└ posted on Thursday, 24 July 2014, by Novil
- Cloud: This has to be a bad dream.
- Sandra: I think you look very sexy.
- Sign: NEW GENDER-NEUTRAL SCHOOL UNIFORMS – TRY-OUT DAY
- Cloud: SEXY?! You think I’m looking sexy in a skirt?!
- Sandra: Very much so.
- Cloud: Since when are you such a naughty girl?
- Sandra: 9:17 a.m.
- Cloud: Surely you know that naughty girls need to be punished. With a kiss!
- Sandra: Oh no! But I’ll be good from now on! Promise!
- Cloud: Okay, then just a peck on the cheek.
- Sandra: Aww, Cloud, that’s not–
- Dorothy Cambridge: AIIIE!
- Dorothy Cambridge: A peck on the cheek WITHOUT a notarially certified declaration of consent!!!
- Male activist: Count yourself lucky that revision 2 of the new school regulations will only come into effect next Monday!
- Cloud: Hey, that hurts!
- Dorothy Cambridge: Are a hundred yards enough for the restraining order against your attacker?
- Sandra: W– what?
![[0601] New School Uniforms](/comics/2014-07-24-0601-new-school-uniforms.png "[0601] New School Uniforms")
Sorry, but this Is no longer funny. It’s just making me angry. Abandon this Story arc, pretty please. Delete It, even.
@ Melkior:
Whilst Western Feminist go about Speaking of How the United States has a “Rape Culture” or Complaining about the Depiction of Women in Games & Movies, within the Middle East & Rural China there is a Definitively Anti-Feminine Culture that Western Feminist have yet to Address, Most Likely because that Would be Harder & More Dangerous than Asking for a Couple Grand to Make some YouTube Videos about how Princess Peach is a Bad Influence on Women, & there’s your Sarkeesian Reference Folks!
@ Natanji:
It appears quite obvious to me now that I should put “female attire” instead of female attire to make it clear that I already understood that all clothing is technically genderless, and that we as a society have only classified a certain style and type of clothing as “female attire that is to be worn by women.”
What I don’t understand, is why people who were probably instilled with the idea of “gender assigned clothing” would find a man, especially a very “masculine” sexually appealing in very “feminine attire.” Especially if the “masculine” traits are the ones that the person was attracted to in the first place. If I was attracted to a woman who was the embodiment of “femininity”, why would I think clothing that draws from that made them appear “sexy”? In the opposite case, I don’t see why a woman who was attracted to very “masculine” man would find the image of him wearing very “feminine” attire like a dress, attractive. It seems to me like they’e polar opposites.
Like, I also don’t understand why women are attracted to “pretty boys”, men who could very easily be mistaken for women because of their physical and personality traits. In my mind, that would indicate a stronger attraction to women than to men.
Perhaps it’s the juxtaposition that causes it to be attractive…or maybe it’s something along the idea of “their masculinity/femininity transcends the clothing and shines even brighter because of the contradiction,” either way, it just doesn’t compute in my head.
There’s just something I’d like to say to everyone who says that Cloud isn’t even pausing after Sandra shows hesitation towards the kiss: You can’t see if he was going to stop the kiss before getting Sandra’s consent. That is because Cambridge stops them before he can react to Sandra’s comment. So we can’t know if he was going to just back off or not because he never gets the chance to do that. So he just might be the gentleman who would’ve let Sandra finish her sentence first (as we know he is), we just can’t see that in this comic.
Kra’ul Sheykhon wrote:
I don’t know about the US, but I do know that in Europa, feminists are definitely discussing the problem in back-water places. They may not do it as much as they discuss the problems in their own countries, but then, there’s much less they can do in other countries to begin with. This is also true for most people who’s politically active, in general you focus more on your own country than on other countries. Even so, some feminists are still trying to improve the situation. For example, some women went ahead and gave girls in underdeveloped countries sex ed, this despite a lot of people in those countries thinking sex ed will just corrupt the girls.
@ CCGWebmaster:
There are latex-free condoms, if that’s what you mean…? I wouldn’t know of any other allergies that happen there. In any case, it’s not a counter-argument just because there is an extreeeeemely small minority of people for which condoms don’t work.
@ CCGWebmaster:
Absolutely! Modern feminism is often very critical of capitalism for exactly this reason. There is a lot of inequality in the world. Therefore it’s important that there are people working on all these fronts.
@ Autolykos:
I have not one, but multiple happy relationships based on enthusiastic consent. And I don’t think I’m some kind of paragon. It is extremely easy to bring enthusiastic consent into your relationships, and it makes them very healthy. I don’t understand how “human nature” should play against it in any way. You are just saying that mistakes happen – yes, of course they do! – but it’s really about a question of attitude. Not being perfect and asking every single time. I gave enough examples on how to do so in this comic’s comment thread to get an idea of it, I think. 🙂 Try it out, it’s great!
I like the comic itself a lot and all, and I really like that shot of Cloud in the first panel (he really does pull off the skirt thing pretty well), but I can’t help but find this storyline really obnoxious. Just kind of one of those, “I get it, move on!” kind of things, you know?
G wrote:
Easy answer: people are not attracted to “masculinity” or “feminity”. That’s basically your whole premise, that masculinity and femininity are such a big deal in the question of attraction. I don’t doubt that this goes for some people – and perhaps, you? – but we are gladly not *that* brainwashed that we can only find masculinity and femininity attractive.
Attraction also has a lot to do with behaviour and how certain you seem of yourself, for instance. Someone who is constantly uncertain about themselves is usually found less attractive. If you can wear a skirt proudly (I do), people will find this brave and attractive. It also is *interesting* – simply because nobody else does it.
Also, there is a pleathora of “masculinities” out there. Take the Japanese “Bishonen” – big guy, slender, not at all muscular, cute face, soft voice vs. the American Cowboy or Wrestler Masculinity.
…so yeah, those are a few of the reasons why I think you really shouldn’t be surprised about all this. 😉
You might have been brought up with the idea that women prefer a certain type of partner, but that is a lie. Women are attracted to whomever they want. 🙂
Kra’ul Sheykhon wrote:
Oh come on. That’s the “There’s children starving in Africa, how can you DARE speaking about local problems?!”-defense right there. Besides, there has actually been heavy criticism from e.g. Indian women because they do not *want* to be saved by some external force. They want to do it themselves and speak for themselves instead of the imperialistic “awww, you poor people, we have to save you!” bullshit.
Nachtschattengewächs wrote:
I’m German too, and you are using strawman arguments here.
1. How the hell would it be a problem to have women working for more women’s representation and women’s interests because apparently that problem doesn’t solve itself, as you can easily see in the numbers?
2. You act as if the feminist perspective was the premise, but it isn’t. The fact is that there is a lot of research in sociology about gender, and it simply sometimes coincides with what feminism has been saying for decades. You could also be saying “there are sooo many biology chairs out there, but they all tend to think from the evolutionary perspective (“creationism” is a dirty word in those circles)”.
3. 200 tenured female professors? That number seems like you pulled it out of your ass, especially considering that there’s less than 10.000 female professors in Germany as a whole, and less than 10% are tenured.
@ Tsunami:
You are soooooooooooo lucky! Appreciate your gift!
How come the school staff hasn’t done anything about this? Cambridge isn’t the principal, so how could she have the authority to do these stupid acts? -summons Ye Thuza-
… I’m pretty sure at least half of what’s been done so far is illegal, regardless of any other factors. But, seriously, why hasn’t anyone notified an authority about the blatant disrespect of our rights? I am, however, still hoping to learn how many millions what’s-her-name has on the privilege-o-meter that sort of introduced this gang. (And by gang, of course, I mean “an organized group of criminals.”) To re-purpose a quote by Abraham Lincoln: When Cambridge gets control, it will read “all
menare created equal.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty-to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.Looking back at what I’ve written, I see no way to connect my rather dissimilar thoughts. I extend apologies to all those to whom my writing is incomprehensible, or simply abstruse, as ’twas in no way my intention to accomplish such a deed.
@ Crystalgate:
Feminist in the US do that as well.
Well, considering how innefetcive the principal is….. i’m not sure she would get in trouble for this.@ Admiral Halsey:
Soooo….how long until the “straw feminist” arc is over? I’m getting bored with waiting for her to be removed so we can get back to regular stories.
I am going to have to contact Robotnik Corp after this… And G.U.N. Federation as well. Both of them would be p!$$ed at this…
Contact me when this story arc is finished.
preadatordetector@gmail.com
@ Zeterai:
Yeah Cloud just needs a sporran and a big belt buckle and viola, its a kilt!
@ Autolykos:
It shouldn’t be about making ‘women’ stronger at all though, that is only accounting for when MEN try to force themselves on WOMEN, but that doesn’t help with the reverse or when they are both the same gender. Which is a further part of the problem – we tend to think of it as only being a problem where men are forcing themselves on women, but the reverse occurs, and it can occur with two people of the same gender too.
BOTH genders need educated on what is consent, what isn’t consent, and what the consequences of it are, rather than pointing at females and saying ‘YOUR BEHAVIOUR IS CAUSING THIS’. And don’t say we don’t do that, because we do, we tell WOMEN to keep an eye on their drinks, we tell WOMEN to travel with groups of friends on nights out, we tell WOMEN to stay away from suspicious characters, as if they are the only ones at risk.
We tell WOMEN to change THEIR behaviour as if it is THEIR fault instead of educating everyone equally about what the issues with consent are and the possible dangers – both men and women should know how to keep an eye out for danger, not just women, because both genders can be assailants, and both genders can be victims.
Crystalgate wrote:
Thank goodness people didn’t feel this way when it came to apartheid in South Africa.
@ preadatordetector:
Robotnik? Y u keep bringing up Robotnik. Either you like pingas or want a prrrrrrromotion.
Well guess what! Robotnik is MINE whahahahahahaha! All hail Robotnik and the pingas!
Just a point I noticed. This so called “Feminist” that is very like a “Feminazi” has two Men to be her muscle. Every time she enforces her rules like this she admits men are stronger than women. I am sure someone else noticed this, but I just thought it was funny.
Troll Science Man wrote:
Oh yhea I forgot. Make Cloud pay you $100.
Use the cheat code ABBA to revive Dorothy from the dead.
Rehire her at the school.
Repeat entire process for infinite moneys.
U jelly Logic?
@ ArchAngel4:
Ones actually a girl.
I will not stand for this!
On an unrelated note, have you seen my revolver?
Novil:
Please continue to tell the stories that YOU want to tell; and don’t let anyone bully you into changing them, cutting them short, or deleting them. For every person who’s come in here just to announce that they’re leaving (like someone petulantly slamming a door for fear that their absence won’t be noticed), I have no doubt that many more are enjoying this arc.
Sandra and Woo is a quality web comic amidst a sea of crap. Please know that your efforts are appreciated.
I can only wonder how hot – and which kind of hot – Larisa’s reaction is going to be when she catches wind of the new policies concerning flirting. Also I would think forcing all the girls to wear skirts is sexist. And the skirts themselves are hideous. If not for the hideousness of those skirts I would suspect Ms. Cambridge of inappropriately manipulating the dress code to create her own paradise of underaged eye candy… Wait. How much does she hate men?
Okay, Novil, I think you’ve established what you think of feminism. Bravo. *slow clap*
Now…maybe wrap this up so we can get back to stories that people other than trilby-wearing, goatee-sporting MRAs can enjoy? Thanks ever so much. I’ll just get back to churning out kids in the kitchen now, shall I?
Landbark wrote:
Man, I miss Ozzy & Millie
Geez, this @#$% is severe! Also, the clock says ~9:33, not 9:17.
And of course, we’re still ignoring that Cambridge STILL doesn’t have the authority to go changing all the school rules. And for any higher-ups to GIVE her that authority would still be unbelievable and dumb.
Question: Why am I unable to uprate or downrate certain comments?
I LIKED this arc. I thought these were strips funny and clever, some of best in
Sandra and Woo.
I am very disappointed so people proposed violent solutions. I don’t even Cloud wanted or expected his mom to beat his mom at school. Worst, it just isn’t funny!
I’m responding with Ye Thuza intellegence, even wisdom. Ideally, she can do or say something which makes even Delores Umbrage see the error of her ways.
@ Cpt. Obvious:
You’re right. I don’t hang out with too many jerks.
I don’t think Cloud’s mother will be needed.
Any moment now Sandra is going to pull an ‘enough is enough’ on the cow.
I can only guess that Novil is trying to highlight every ill-considered radical feminist attitude in existence before ending this arc.
While I can take the point that some feminists go too far, and it’s mildly amusing to see this attempt at parody, the problem is that the whole arc is so uncomfortably close to the actual attitudes of a minority,/i> of feminists that it’s only barely parody.
It’s almost impossible to effectively parody radical feminism, simply because radical feminists tend to ludicrous extremes.
Feminists have some valid arguments (about lack of employment opportunities and about equal pay for equal work, for example) but any attempt to pretend that there are (or should be) no differences between the genders is obviously the invention of a lunatic. The genders never can be “equal” in that sense simply because they’re not the same gender. (duh)
To get to the point, this whole arc seems to be dragging on too long.
The point of the arc was made within the first two or at most three strips. It’s been mildly amusing, but I too feel that it’s past time to wrap it up, preferably with the Umbrage-expy being committed to a rubber room!
@ Melkior:
Darn it. I somehow didn’t close the italics. 🙁
I love Sandra and Woo, but this particular story arc is seriously getting old. Normally I log in every time expecting to smile, and lately I’ve just been rolling my eyes in irritation.
Yes, every form of discrimination is wrong. And conversely, being over-sensitive is also bad. We get it. You only needed maybe two or three comics to establish this character as destestable; as a one-shot she makes for good satire. But now? It’s gotten to where I’m just not enjoying it. We all hate her, can we get rid of her now?
That is IT. 0_0 She has GOT to go, by hook or by crook!
Jen-Fu wrote:
I doubt a webcomic artist would be bullied so easily, especially one with years of experience and a dedicated fanbase.
That said, there ARE many of us IN that dedicated fanbase, who’ve been reading for years, who utterly detest this irritating story arc. And while I’m not talking about being all GONE FOREVER and slamming the door, I am seriously, personally considering not coming to this page for the next few weeks in hopes that this will be done with by the time I come back. Looking at the comments, which are normally almost universally positive for this webcomic, and seeing how many others are getting annoyed, I’m obviously not alone.
Those of us mentioning our displeasure are not trying to ‘bully’ the artist. We’re providing feedback, which is a normal part of the process. The fact that there ARE people who are threatening to slam the door shut should be taken, not at face value, but as an indication of how strongly some readers feel about this. Yes, we’re dedicated readers, and yes, we’re unhappy.
Do we really expect the author to cut an arc short because we’re unhappy? I don’t, personally, and I doubt many others do either. But the author should know 1) that we ARE unhappy and 2) why we are, otherwise there’s no actual useful feedback, only lackeyish boot-licking.
As I’ve said previously, I love this comic. Normally. Not right now. Looking forward to the next arc (or perhaps the proper conclusion of this one).
Still not getting the hate.. as I said people are taking this way to seriously and the feminists seem to be taking it as a personal attack on them.. when it is stab at those that take it way to far which is all this is, just a bit of fun at people that take things to far hell the kissing thing was ripping into a law California IIRC bought in recently.
People like this do exist and that is what it is taking the piss out of we hate her because we are supposed to but some of you people have it in your heads that we should love every character, just stand bake take a look at yourselves and ask why am I offended by this and why am I taking an online comic strip way to seriously and why am I taking it as a personal attack on me.
cont:
People saying I hate her get rid of her.. well then the writer has done his/her job, we are meant to hate her and want her gone that’s the bleeping point, have none of you got any idea on basic story telling, love the good guys and hate the bad guys, I’m pretty sure this arc won’t be a long one and after this unreasonable backlash and some pretty insulting (ironically) comments.
It will most likely get cut short or just deleted as people seem to be as I said more then once taking a silly online comic strip way to seriously and as a personal attack on them for some reason and also for some reason hating the bad guy seems to be an alien concept here.
Ok one last comment as this just popped into my head.
You guys are pissed off with Cloud getting a totally natural reaction to seeing someone he is attracted to in a swimming costume.. but ok with a story dealing will the problems younger people have with dealing with their sexuality which I thought would of been destroyed in the comments section going by the reaction to the Cloud thing… and yet this of all the story arcs is the one people have a hissy fit over? one minute you are ultra conservative the next fine and then the next ultra conservative again… it’s comment section multiple personality’s.
Oh dear…
The moment someone tries to stop Larissa from lip-molesting Landon, really, really bad things are going to happen.
@ Admiral Halsey:
I don’t think the Pointy Haired Principal has any say in the matter. It’s kinda obviou she’s taken over.
I wonder why everyone is taking what happens to FICTIONAL CHARACTERS so seriously?
And it’s not like Cloud didn’t bring THIS one on himself, what did he THINK would happen, acting so masculine in a school run by the Wicked Witch of the Female??
Straw feminists just aren’t very funny. Wrap this up quickly, please!
@ Admiral Halsey:
Again, I’m pretty sure she’s a reference to Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter. In the book she started as a teacher but slowly gained power and changed rules in the school.
Also, it’s a comic in the comic-world. With a talking raccoon. Why is the teacher now a sticking point for you? 😛
Yeah… not much caring for this story arc. Going to take a hiatus for awhile.
@ The Burning of The School:
Ugh, no! Don’t. This is a great story arc. It’s funny. I’m sure she’ll go back to the ‘normal’ story arc soon, but for now, just sit back and enjoy.
@ Van:
But are you a real scottsman?
Its not a skirt! Its a kilt!