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I see this as the groundwork for a divorce; I think that is where this arc is heading.
@ Eric:
It is highly unlikely that she would accept such help. She would probably just pull the bible card (just as bad as the hitler card) as a method of avoiding diagnosis and treatment…
And then blame Larisa for getting her own family to do something like that to her.
Well, Mr. Mosquito, it seems I must go against my own advise and engage you in this debate.
1. Calling you a troll was not sidestepping your argument, as evidenced by the fact that after doing so, I went on to address what you’d said. The mention of trolling was just to make a point that no amount of discussion might be able to change your mind.
2. You say that no religion has ever been moral. That is wrong. There are religions that preach love, and that have discarded tenets that would lead them to preach hate. Those religions are moral.
Are you really unable to believe that in an ancient world, people would kill each other over petty grudges, and commit similar crimes? And that someone might have come up with the idea of divine guidance to end that? In any case, this is relatively minor, and what I voiced earlier is only my opinion, so you are free to ignore it.
3. I did specifically state that I brought up Godwin’s Law as a joke. And yes, the nazis do have their place in civilized discussion, but that place is not as a general comparison to any non-genocidal group. Seeing as most religious folks don’t go around murdering people, the comparison is invalid.
4. When a child unknowingly speaks words of hate, do you call them an idiot? I believe most parents would not. The general response is “what you did is wrong, and you should know that so you don’t do it again.” If that fails, then harsher measures are justified.
5. You have a good point about religion not being necessary to enforce the law.
So I’ll bring up another reason for religion: To explain the unexplainable. When the ancients saw a rainbow, they wondered what it could be, and the best they could come up with was that someone put it there, and for a reason. When they found shells in a desert, they wondered the same. Thus, Noah was born.
6. I don’t believe that religion deserves credit for everything religious people do, but it has done more than be used to oppress.
7. You seem to have an unusual faith in humanity. When people hate other people, they might kill if they hadn’t been taught that killing was wrong.
Religion teaches that killing is wrong. Religion is not necessary for that, but humans need reasons. When a child asked “why is killing wrong” before the concept of human rights was established, the parents had to respond. If they said, “because it is wrong” or “because it is evil,” the child would not accept that as a true reason. So they said, “because God said so,” and the child listened.
The most basic quality in any living creature is the desire to survive. This desire leads to other basic instincts, such as fear and anger. After survival is assured, we strive for happiness. Because of societal groming, we believe that material success is the same as happiness. So we develop greed. And greed can drive people to do terribly things, such as murder.
8. In this point, I admit that you are correct. People are frequently killed for religion. But to compare the fundamentalist religious groups in Africa and the Middle East to the religions of America, for example, is at best a poor comparison. You seem to have a hatred of fundamentalist religion that ignores the fact that many other forms of religion exist.
9. But religion does deserve credit for the people it has saved from depression. Just because there are other ways to heal does not mean that all practiced methods should not be credited. And if someone is too poor to afford therapy, and lacks good friends, they might have nowhere to turn but to religion.
10. Here is the part of your argument that I consider the most problematic. You insist again and again that the bible is the be-all and end-all set of rules on Christianity. You ignore that there are many non-fundamentalist groups in the world that ignore sections they consider outdated. There is a reason that “Christian” is not a religion in the world. The many denominations exist as different takes on the rules set forth in the bible. Many of them are strict, but others are not.
Tell me this: If religions changed slowly, why are there groups that take on different ideas and split off from parent groups. For example, the Puritans who migrated to New England because they had different ideas about how Christianity should be practiced.
Mabe religions as a whole do change ever so slowly, but they can and do change.
Again, religion is a school of thought. Just because the bible says “you have to do X to be Christian” does not mean that you have to do X to be christian. If it was that simple, there would be exactly one denomination, and christianity would long ago have dominated the world (in the sense of actual direct control of governments, not by simple majority of population).
11. And here’s where we seem to disagree. I know many religious christians, each of whom supports human rights above their religion where the two conflict. They do not condemn the people who do not follow their religion, but they are no less Christian for it.
You seem to believe that religion is binary. You say there are two possibilities:
1. Religious/fundamentalist and therefore close-minded bigots (or something like that)
2. Not religious
This is where you are wrong at the deepest level. If someone follows (most of) the moral codes of the bible (as opposed to the other more physical rules set forth), they can easily and accurately claim to be Christian. “Morally bankrupt” and “religious” are not synonymous. They coincide more often than would be ideal, but they are not automatically connected.
And here you go again, making wide generalizations: I live in the US, but the religious people I know gladly accept many atheists into their lives. Just because one small, likely local study says something does not mean that it is true everywhere.
Maybe if you didn’t go around screaming about horrible religion was, you might get better responses from religious people. Who would you be more likely to listen to: someone who started each conversation with “atheism is the most horrible thing ever to exist,” or someone who said “I think atheism is wrong, but it isn’t particularly evil”?
If you could show that atheists aren’t always screaming anti-religion fanatics, religious people would be more accepting, even if they didn’t always agree with you. (It might not affect fundamentalists, but the people reading this comic are probably not fundamentalists.)
If you have to deal with rude Christians on the internet, there is an easy solution: don’t. Just leave the webpage and go somewhere else. It’s much harder to deal with in real life, though.
Oops, forgot to say this:
I probably won’t reply again, because I really need to do other things.
I’m not going to say that Mosquito isn’t presenting themselves in an very emotional way, but I can understand from whence that grows. From what I’ve read they are in a fundamentalist-dominated area of the US. The sort of place where you would not be surprised to find a pariah such as a homosexual, transgender, or Muslim individual beaten and hung out to die on fence. These things do happen, to deny religious complacence and scriptural endorsement of violence/hate/intolerance against those deemed “other” or “unclean” is disingenuous.
Even the lesser harassment: the day-to-day wear of knowing that you are as hated as a child-molester, treated as a threat by your mere presence, the vandalism of your property if you dare to merely display your opinion on such matters on your car or home? I’ve known friends who have had their car windows shattered, and their FSM/Darwin logos torn off their vehicles. These were people who didn’t debate such matters with people, and who were doing nothing more “vocal” than every other car you see with a fish on its bumper… yet were still targeted for even daring to show their opinion. I do not think you have experienced such things if you can play Mosquito’s anger off as simple trolling.
They are expressing anger, yes, but it is far from unfounded. I’m glad you live in an area of moderate Christians, no everyone has grown up with such an experience. Not everyone has the option of moving. My word, some people even endure vitriol of this manner from their own flesh and blood.
Zweisteine wrote:
How much of a book does one need to hold to actually follow a religion? There is a huge divide between what is scriptural in Christianity and what the casual practitioner espouses. There is more difference between the lovey-dovey Christianity and Scriptural Christianity than there is between Scriptural Christianity and Judaism. To be honest, other than clinging to the humanized Godhead that is Jesus Christ, most “moderate Christians” are just generalized Theists who are following their own basic moral compass and use the title of “Christian” to avoid persecution by the fundamentalists. Many do not realize how far off from scriptural Christianity they even ARE, because they do not want the uncomfortable realization that Christianity is as ugly and bloodthirsty as any other religion that has come out of the Middle East.
They are being cowardly, hiding behind the name of a faith that does not accurately reflect their own beliefs. What is worse is that by using the title “Christian” all they are doing is propping up the fundamentalists; who can use the argument of, “We have X amount of Christians in this country. This is what our holy book SAYS about: gays, slavery (which they use to support racism even if the slaver did not specifically tie to ethnicity), and corporal punishment for many different things”. A vocal minority of scripturalists will scream and froth in support of this… but the moderate “Christian” with just quietly avoid the whole topic. Hiding, from this conflict, as they do behind the name “Christian”.
It is sort of like membership in a school yard gang. Only a few needs to be lashing out at others, but if you were the gang’s colours yourself and stay quietly behind them… then the fundie attack dogs will leave you alone for the most part. It is a very human and subconscious thing to do: keep your mouth shut and your eyes averted. Don’t speak up while those wielding power or authority hurt the other child. Don’t draw attention to yourself.
Doesn’t make it right. Empowering the hateful when you don’t share more then the barest sliver of the same beliefs. The moderates still endorse the Bible so damn often. I can understand the disgust and anger at it because it has repercussions for themselves and others that are not being considered.
I have been reading this religious debate for so long I was thinking of responding in rage then I realied… sucks, if this man is being a close minded liberal aithiest complaining about close minded religious southerners with conservetive views, “bragging” how he has burned religious books because they are “stupid” and unmoral . So allow me to put this out there.
1. Sucks
2. Get a life
3. 1. You say is so accepting of slavery yet you think of slavery as how the African American’s and what is basically Egyptian slavery. Jewish slavery is that the slave owes x amount of money to the slaver so to pay it back they work for no pay. Also as to make sure this agreement could not last forever the longest a debt can be held over some was 7 years and after that time the slave was no longer in debt to its slaver so it would suck if your “slave” was not obedient since he needs to pay off that debt before the 7 years are over and so an unobedient one would basically be a guy cheating you out of your money. 2. On child abuse rod is not metal rod but a stick and beatings were really spankings wich I am a lucky child since for the things I did I remember only getting spanked twice. Both time my mom used hangers. Once I asked why she doesn’t use her hand. My mom didn’t reply with, “because bible said to use rod” but withn “because my hands are for loving and hugging you not to hurt you.” So rod beatings were probably the same exact things as spankings of today and those books where the English schools use a rod to spank. 3. Is child death which from what I see is as you noticed mosquito is a favorite punishment of God’s but if you think about it this is the highest punishment God uses, 1st time you pointed out was to free the jews from FORCED slavery by the Egyptians, 2nd time you pointed it at is when king David after commiting adultery NOT RAPE to his best friends wife then having his best friend go to the most devistating part of the war to die where he dies, his then wife’s child, whole point of killing his best friend, ends up a still birth, born not alive so technically not killed, as punishment for David’s wrong doing was not evil just kind of hey you killed your best friend for no point since the evidence which would be your friends wife taking care of a baby won’t happen since hey no baby, not hey cute baby, well he must die. So in both cases the Daviv one being not that bad and the Egyptian one being that that phaoroh was duly worned and was just being an idiot so all in all the only thi you got on the bible may be sexism but hey, this was written during a patriotic society and even then the bible does not tell you that you have to be sexist so end of discussion. Hope you enjoyed learning something. Also if you still hate the old testiment theres a book called the cross and the magic mushrooms which may interest you. Read it.
Sorry for the harsh sarcasm in the last post mosquito. I live with my brother and we talk like that to each other. The main point Iis your hatred towards holy books is as dumb as Christias hatred towards atheist. Every year I progress and become more tolerate of things, I remember when I was you and use to think that atheist are idiots, muslims wanted the human race extinct and was very homophobic, but now my friends are mostly athiest or homosexuals, I most annoyed by closed minded Christians, still Christian myself, and wish the human race could be more tolerate of others instead of, “hey you’re not like us, well you should be” also people should be tolerate of intolerance, which here I’ll admit I’m a hypocrite since I am arguing with mosquito since he is intolerant about religion, but all in all the problem in the world is no religion or seculurism but intolerance instead. So Avion Mosquito and everone else stop arguing and lets all make a pack to make the world a better place by tolerating others. If you agree to tolerat others, when you post jst end with.
Tolerence is sometimes needed.
Oh no she didn’t!
Gap343 wrote:
Oh, I got this one! It wasn’t always a debt:
“And if a man sells his daughter to be a female slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has betrothed her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt deceitfully with her. And if he has betrothed her to his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters. If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marriage rights.”
—Exodus 21
Female slaves are stuck with whomever they are assigned to unless he feels like “redeeming her rights”, to sell her back to her father. Mind you, if you’re a raped virgin with a douche bag father, your rapist can keep you as his slave for fifty shekels of silver. The father can accept the money and keep his daughter, mind you, but good luck marrying that one off. Considering the book made specific rules about this… and rules not allowing daughters to go free after 7 years, how rare do you really think letting a rapist marry his victim really was?
Ah yes, back to slavery.
Heaven forbid that the slave be a moral person, capable of loving another human being because:
If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
So, the daughter… a slave, cannot be sold to a foreign people. So if the freed slave she married is a foreigner he cannot buy her. If he has not or can not earn enough money to buy his wife and children’s freedom, the only way to keep their family together is to submit to a life of slavery and hope your master does not decide to sell your children away from you to punish you later on.
Totally fair, right?
Gap343 wrote:
What a block of mess. Although this passage does recommend stern talkings to and a sound spanking, eventually if your parents are fed up with your shit here is the next step for your crazy frat boy shenanigans:
“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ESV
I mean, he’s not a murderer, or a rapist. He just dang well won’t listen! He drinks and eats too much! Well, lets just stone him to death so his friends will learn something. I wonder how much warning the children/youth/boys/young men in 2 Kings 2:24 had? Not much from what I can see… and thus 42 of them are mauled by bears. Yay!
Also, David’s son was not a stillborn:
13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”
Nathan replied, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You are not going to die. 14 But because by doing this you have shown utter contempt for[a] the Lord, the son born to you will die.”
15 After Nathan had gone home, the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife u>had borne to David, and he became ill. 16 David pleaded with God for the child. He fasted and spent the nights lying in sackcloth[b] on the ground. 17 The elders of his household stood beside him to get him up from the ground, but he refused, and he would not eat any food with them.
18 On the seventh day the child died. David’s attendants were afraid to tell him that the child was dead, for they thought, “While the child was still living, he wouldn’t listen to us when we spoke to him. How can we now tell him the child is dead? He may do something desperate.” This is 2 Samuel 12
The child suffered and wasted away for a whole week before its death for that acts of its father. Regardless of it his mother was raped or committed adultery… the child was guilty of nothing. Despite Ezekiel 18:20 saying that each should bear the burden of ones own actions, the child pays here. Inconsistent, whaaaat?
Such silliness, the bible. I’d sooner read the Eddas, especially Þrymskviða. Much more fun to talk about Thor in drag.
Zweisteine wrote:
You know why I said that. You KNOW how that word is used, and you KNOW how juvenile such behaviour is.
Give me an example of a loving religion and I’ll give you an example of it being used for evil. Go ahead, I’ve got good research skills, make it nice and obscure. Not like Buddhism of Hare Krishna, something more obscure. Make it hard. Something at least as obscure as Aum Shinrikyo. (Japanese religion, 1984-1995. Preached love and peace, then bombed subway tunnels with sarin gas.)
No, I just don’t think religion made it any better.
They were an example of a religious group causing a massive amount of damage, and were 11 in a list of 14 such examples, against an idiot who claimed atheism caused more damage in 100 years than religion did in 4000. Seriously, check the context before you say anything.
Ah, yes. I agree here, mostly. But this is NOT a child. This is a grown fucking man who should KNOW better. And I already said going off on him, specifically, was unfair. I snapped at the wrong commenter, and should have waited for C. W. Roden, who clearly knows EXACTLY what he’s doing. You don’t need to keep going here.
Oh yes, but that’s not doing us any good anymore, now is it? And if we didn’t have it back then, or even if we had it and it hadn’t been so damned militant, we would have made by far more progress in the amount of time we’ve had.
And that’s a poor example, really. A normal person would look at that and go “Wow, a seashell in the desert, in a location that is barely above sea level and has water on each side? Must have been a flood, or a big wave.” And not have to create a fable about a magical man who raised the sea nearby, and throw on a big bunch of anti-Egyptian propaganda that makes no sense historically. (The Egyptians didn’t use slaves in the bronze age. They had a community-based work system instead, where all the free men in their nation would come work a short period each year for their government in exchange for protection and so on. It was basically a form of work-based taxation. They had no slaves at the time this supposedly took place, and didn’t for nearly a thousand years after.)
My claim was that religion’s purpose has only ever been to suppress. I can use my screwdriver to open cans and pick locks (NOTE: I know they’re used for that, but I can’t actually pick locks myself. Had an ex that could, though.), does that mean it’s purpose is anything other than to drive screws?
We don’t need to ask why killing is wrong. We KNOW that. And is explaining “Well, how would you feel if somebody did it to you?” really that fucking hard? I didn’t think so. There’s no divine mandate needed, just a bit of common sense.
Again, I’m talking about religion as a whole. But even if I wasn’t, just back your timeline up a couple hundred years and you’ve got these same “friendly” western churches committing atrocities on a daily basis. Hell, you don’t even have to go that far to find them, say, financing centres that provide electro-shock “therapy” to homosexuals and transsexuals. And slightly effeminate men, and slightly masculine girls. And anybody else they didn’t like.
I’ve never seen somebody in my life who got *just* support from a church. Support with a side of manipulation and exploitation, sure, but never *just* support. And that DOES take away all credit as far as I’m concerned.
Just one example. My mother wouldn’t be HALF as evil as she is if she hadn’t turned to the church for support with her mental illness. They helped her deal with her violent impulses, sure, but they also convinced her that homosexuals and unbelievers were the spawn of satan and everything they did was evil. They then reinforced her existing racism against asians, arabs, mixed races and latinos (the latter falls under mixed races, I’m surprised they had that kind of historical knowledge), convinced her to donate 10% of her income to them, (which, so far, has been about $100,000 dollars in the last two decades) and sent her on her way. She is now the single most despicable, hateful person I know, and she’s only getting worse by going to her church.
Why would there be so many different denominations? Because they’ve had TWO THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS OF CONSTANT PRESSURE to change them. That’s the only reason there IS more than one denomination of Christianity. And they’re still associating themselves with the evil, gay-hating, child-beating, woman-oppressing denominations that DO EXIST in the world today. If they’re going to willingly associate themselves with those people, they deserve all the flak I can dish out and then some.
You don’t think I try to be nice to them? I don’t exactly have a choice, you know. I have to play nice 99% of the time in my area, or end up in a fist fight and then get thrown in jail. (While the other guy, who certainly hit first, walks free.) I’m still more combative than is entirely safe, but that’s because they keep dragging my daughter into it, and most of the time I’m still walking on eggshells.
And I can tell you, right now, that it makes no fucking difference to any of them. It only makes a difference to the police.
And let their hatred go unchecked? FUCK THAT.
Midare wrote:
Well, I know you’re trying to defend me here, but that’s not *entirely* accurate. I live in a hyper-conservative pocket in an otherwise liberal state, and I didn’t grow up here or even know about it until I moved in. (And now lack the money to move back out, six years and counting.) If you know how these hyper-conservative pockets are, you know what I’m dealing with here.
They periodically shoot and throw fireworks at my house. Not just little bottle rockets and noisemakers, either, some big sky-rockets and heavy-duty ground firecrackers too. Last one left a shell the size of a soda can. Then there’s the spray paint every month or so, rocks through our windows after a few incidents. And too many people crash their cars into our house or our visitors’ cars to be accidental.
And I’m one of them there. Don’t have enough money to move. I live in a split-level with my grandparents. They can’t afford the mortgage on their own, and I can’t afford my own place either. Even if I could afford to move, I’d be hanging my grandparents out to dry and I’m not willing to do that.
And I’m one of them on the other part too. My mother is pure fucking evil, and the rest of my family insists on giving her chance after chance after chance.
I’d say it’s quite a bit softer (scripturally) than Judaism, at least. The old testament is still there, but the new testament is somewhat nicer, so I guess they’re a bit softer overall. And Islam, maybe, but I never finished the book, (I stopped when he married Aisha) so maybe Muhammed went super nice in his later years? I doubt it, but maybe.
I’ll at least give Christianity credit for being the least incredibly, unbelievably evil religion to come out of the middle east. That’s just not a high standard and they’re still FUCKING EVIL.
And thank you, for expressing this better than I could. This is, more or less, what I was getting at. Well, that, and they let their faith corrupt their political views and vote for openly evil politicians just because they’re Christians. Politicians then wield this like a cudgel, crudely exploiting the supposed faith of the American public to curry favour and get votes. Hell, this was Rick Perry’s ENTIRE PLATFORM when he ran. (And thankfully fell short, but he got pretty far.)
Nice analogy. Except in this case, the gang would need some kind of rulebook or codus that says they need to lash out at others constantly. Add that and it’s pretty much perfect.
You seem to get the crux of my situation, more or less. Thank you for that. I don’t think the others are trying, and I’m not the best communicator.
@ Midare:
Well, it looks like you got this. I think I brought most of that up already, and I doubt he’ll listen to you any more than he did me, but I’ll leave you to it. I’ve had enough vitriol for a solid month.
Harriet might want to be careful here – if angels dated, that could have been Michael’s significant other!
@ Grawnque:
That was Katniss Everdeen, from the Hunger Games.
It is clear to me that your hatred of religion runs too deep to be healed by my efforts, so I will no longer attempt to heal it.
Remember that not all religious people are bigots, and many are kind. One of my best friends is quite religious, and is an active supporter of LGBTQA rights (and isn’t in any of those categories), and is one of the best people I know.
At least try to keep in mind that, though much of religion is rotten, not all of it is. And where it is not, it can do good. Even if you are right, and religion as a whole is an evil institution, there are places where it is not. Even just stating that would make your arguments more appealing to all sides.
Avian Mosquito wrote:
And let their hatred go unchecked? FUCK THAT.
You know, I almost went to write a post arguing back against the most recent things you’ve said. But I won’t even respond. This isn’t worth my time. By leaving, I am not letting your hatred go unchecked. I am letting your hatred go unheard. If nobody argues with you here, you will not have a reason to continue posting, unless pride forces you to return just to disprove me.
@ Zweisteine:
Sir, without opposition of some kind, they will assume everybody agrees with them. That is why it’s important to disagree with them, as publicly as possible and as frequently as possible. That is what I mean, you know that damn well and are choosing to ignore it.
Adamas wrote:
hey, don’t go insulting the female canine. she knows what her offspring needs and will literally die to get it
Harriet is an insult to ANY species
@ Avian Mosquito: You may be right that I understated the extent to which the epistles condone slavery, and in other contexts I might even go so far as to say they do endorse it, but I can’t agree with that here, only because you make the endorsement out to be much stronger than I find. This argument started with your statement that none of us have ever met a Christian, essentially because only someone who’d walked here straight from the Council of Nicaea would be a “true Christian.” (And even then, I don’t think those at the Council of Nicaea would support executing someone for working on the Sabbath, considering the defense of the Apostles’ Sabbath gleaning in Matthew 12.) You sit comfortably on the alien values of the authors of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, which they certainly had, but a long way from making that case.
@ Avian Mosquito:
Since I see we all feel like not backing down. Lets all put down are guns, shake hands, and do what I said early. Try to make the world a better place by becoming tolerate of others. Also heartbreaking story you Avion. I feel for you. Like I said I’m a christian, and it sucks when you see idiots ruin your beliefs by being idiots and hurting other people. If you read one of my post I mention this and therefore point out that yes, the world sucks, but it is not because of religion it is intolerance and from reading some of your post “evilness” that ruins this life we live in. So all I got to say is next time anything bad happens to you be the bigger man and tolerate it. Also from what it sounds like, you should tell the people around you that if they don’t like you, “Sucks, you say your conservative of the constitution yet you don’t act upon the 1st ammendment freedom of religion, second you say your Christian yet you attack me, tell them, doesn’t Jesus say, “love thine enemies, or love thy neighbor as you love yourself. ” if they try to retaliate then just walk away. Trust me your best weapon is the one they think you don’t own. If you have already tried this well then I feel sorry that you you live in a sucky neighborhood.
Great Prowee, from the looks of the front page you started a war over religion GOOD BYE (for now). Be back Sunday at 3 (WEST COAST USA TIME)
@ Egomane:
Egomane wrote:
Umm, since the Reformation happened?Egomane wrote:
Umm, since the Reformation happened?
@ Gap343:
As I said, I’ve tried just about everything, and started at the “nice” end of the spectrum.
And I’m sick of fighting. We’re all sick of fighting. I’ve made my point, I don’t *need* to do anymore, and I don’t want to either. I’ve got better things to do with my time.
Addendum:
And I haven’t slept since Wednesday. It is now Sunday. It is likely that has effected my behaviour somewhat. Since I don’t remember half of what I said and I’m too tired to look, I’d like to make a pre-emptive apology for any personal attacks I may have made against anybody but Carl W. Roden. That bastard can go hang. To everyone else, I apologize.
@ Avian Mosquito:
Hopefully now you could get some sleep.
Huh. Such vitriol and hatred for no real reason that I can see.
I don’t feel like looking up chapter and verse so I can quote them and be word-perfect, so I’ll just paraphrase:
“Now all has been heard and here is the ending of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of Man.” (Closing lines for the book of Ecclesiastes)
“The greatest commandment of all is this: Love God and keep his commandments. And the second-greatest commandment is like it: Love your neighbour as yourself. Upon these two commandments, all of the Law and all of the teachings of the prophets depend.” (Paraphrased from Jesus just before he told the Parable of the Good Samaritan)
If all of the Law (which would include Leviticus) depends on the commandment to love others, then any law which can be shown to be contrary to loving others is at least highly suspect if not outright wrong.
You know, not to glorify or approve of Harriet..but given Larisa’s record, I am surprised we don’t have MORE people who absolutely hate Larisa,,,,
Like, say, the ENTIRE police department, and HECK with the Juvenile Offenders’ actt in her case!
@ Egomane: Spoiler Alert, that is exactly how most christians in my country: America act. They are only believers on the surface, but do whatever they want and are generally worse people than the less religious that I know.
@ DHBirr:
We shall see her burn.
Well, jealousy from us. Actual fire from Larissa.
@ Jason:
Whoops, not jealousy. I meant guilt. Guilt from us.
228 comments? FIVE PAGES OF COMMENTS?
This page was epic, yes, but WOW!!!!
I think it’s time a certain raccoon goddess and maybe a coyote got into some ‘divine intervention’.
Maybe a visit from a certain ‘old one’ who decides to smile.
Or a ‘fiery girl’ or a wolf in tree clothing
Heck, any of those can put ‘the fear of god’ into Harriet with a late-night visit. I’m pretty sure Edward won’t be present, since he’s likely sleeping on the couch after this episode.
@ Avian Mosquito:
And you have yet to substantiate anything other that the fact that you are worse than Harriet and twice as ignorant. Try checking out what is mandatory to be in our water supply to supposedly make it safe you putz.
All Avian Mosquito has does is prove that he is an intolerant, hateful, spiteful, and ignorant as Harriet. As for religion being the root, source, and excuse for all evil, Yet he ignores the history of slavery in the new world, ignores the roots of modern slavery. And then he ignores the history of the 20th century and the massacres perpetrated by atheists that far outstrip the murders of all religions for the last 4000 years. And since he is incapable of looking it up, remembering modern history I will now explain:
the killing fields of the khmer rouge in cambodia
North Korea.
The Rise of Communism in China
The Rise of Communism in Russia
The takeover of Poland by Russia
Romania
Vietnam
Nazi Germany (yes Hitler started as a Catholic of the Roman Church but he left that behind. He was also born a Jew.
Yugoslavia
Then there were the various regimes in South and Central America committing even more atrocities and genocides.
Need I go on?
The deaths in these events totaled MILLIONS upon MILLIONS. And they did it in less than 100 years.
@ Melkior:
Occam’s razor. It’s more likely two laws are incorrect than dozens, if they’re even incompatible.
@ Van:
Ah, once again, revisionist history. You’re a fucking moron. Where are you getting this nonsense?
These communist groups are not atheists, they’re a cult. Specifically a cult of personality. They take other religions out of the system and force the people to worship their leader as their new state religion. They only say “atheist” in order to make it less obvious what they’re doing. Vietnam also had nothing to do with atheism, North Vietnam was Buddhist and South Vietnam (actually the worse of the two, as they lacked basic human rights like religious freedom… You’d like them) was Catholic. Hitler NEVER stopped being a roman catholic, he even tried to get himself made a saint. So did Mussolini, his ally in Italy. There has never been a single such atrocity committed by atheists.
And the flourine in the water? That’s an anti-bacterial measure, you retarded ass clown, and by the way you act, I’m guessing it’s the only reason you still have teeth. Now fuck off, the new comic’s up.
And Van? Don’t bother responding. I’m never coming back to this page to check now that the new one is up.
I’m just waiting for the moment when Harriet tries to take things even further for whatever reason, and then her husband shows up between them with a shotgun in her face and says “Harriet, you are not a christian, you are a vandalist and an abusive woman who hides behind religion to avoid getting in trouble, and that type of person is the true hellspawn here, for god was a merciful man, not a controlling one. Now, I am tired of you controlling the lives of everyone around you, including my own, and I decided it’s time I put an end to it. Get out of my house. Now.”
@ I’ll Eat Yourself:
It would be even better if Landon’s dad handed him a condom after the event and said “Go ahead and relieve some stress you two, I think you need it after what you’ve been through with her.” XD
I’m going to go against the grain and say Harriet is perfectly justified in not wanting her son to have anything to do with Larisa.
Larisa proposed a game of strip Risk, right in front of her (which shows a total lack of self-control, if nothing else.) Larisa’s “not allowed within 50 feet of any of the chem labs.” There was ” that insignificant attempt to cause an unauthorized nuclear detonation last July.” She’s repeatedly shown herself to be a pyromaniac. She pushed a giant block of ice into traffic.
Fundamentalist religion isn’t needed to see that she’s a dangerous influence. And I mean “dangerous” literally; getting to close to her could result in injury or death.
Perhaps one could ignore the physical danger for the sake of true love. But she actually said “since I’m totally out of his league, I’ll be able to twist him around my little finger.” So, Harriet is justified in making sure that Landon has nothing to do with her. (Now, whether destroying that painting will have the desired effect is another matter altogether.)
@ Egomane:
“Such a good picture destroyed by anger induced vandalism. How is that compatible with being a faithfull believer in christianity? :’( ”
@ Whirlwound:
Don’t blame Christianity; she’s Knorzer and Poweree’s creation.
@ Agustin Amenabar L.:
I suspect she would be just as much of a jerk whether she was “Christian” or not, some people are just nasty.
This actually hits uncomfortably close to home for me. My mother still makes these kinds of threats occasionally, but she’s been emotionally abusive for a while now. I’m 20 years old but I’m physically very, very small, and my mom can still bodily force me into compliance. She has broken some of my possessions in fits of anger before as well. We are a christian family but I’m sure my mom would still be the same way even if she weren’t. I know it seems like Harriet must be an exaggeration for the sake of the story, but truly she isn’t.
It’s very hard being reduced to helplessness and desperation by someone you love.
@ Avian Mosquito:
“Oh yes, love for all. And slavery, with a side of rape. And of course there’s all the genocide, infanticide, and ever-present warfare. Then there’s the suppression of knowledge, ridiculous rules about things like banning mixed fabrics and crop rotation, and nonsensical murders for things like picking up sticks on sunday. But yes, love. So much love there. Can’t you feel it?”
Ah, Atheists love bigotry, it smells like victory.
Where’s that in the NT? We are talking about Christianity here. OTOH, crop rotation is actually reasonable.
Might I recommend you read up on the activities of your fellow Atheists in the 20th C.? Especially pay attention to Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s works.
IOW, Heal thyself o’ physician.
I feel sad if there really was a christian like this.
I’m not touching the christian side of this, save for a reminder that such people do exist, and they aren’t 1-in-a-million rarities either. Occasionally, one will even go beyond “normal” beatings and seriously injure or kill the child.
My main reaction to this strip though, is that Landon tried introducing his mother to his girlfriend Larisa, and it didn’t work out. Now she seems to want to get violent with a young boy, I suggest he and Larisa introduce her to their friend Cloud…
Avian Mosquito wrote:
Yes, bigot fundamentalists must be opposed publicly, but not necessarily for their sake. The opposition they face, I think, primarily serves to sway the opinion of the public the argument is in front of. The fundamentalists won’t change their mind, but by arguing with them, others’ midns can be changed.
But when not in highly public place, or when you are just arguing to sway your opponent, you can’t always succeed. And when you fail to sway them, simply do what Zweisteine did. Argue until you can see they won’t change, then say “you won’t change, so this argument is a waste of time, bye.” If you do it properly, they’ll know you didn’t give up because you were losing, and they won’t have their victory.
“That really bothered me I’ve seen all the work that went into making and hand-packaging that stuff and it’s gets destroyed in an instant by overblown intolerance.”
the problem of violence,
“join in or let it win”
@ Mr Ru:
Alex C wrote:
Agreed. As a christian myself, I tend to feel annoyed when one, or all the characters mentioned as being ‘religious’ act like this. It’s not the truth.
eugh.. I get sick in the stomach when I see things like this. destroying someone’s art that they spent hours on making, that was a gift none the less!
Iconoclasm is a foundational pillar of all Abrahamic faiths….