I also think we’re the only species to keep drinking milk as we grow older? So we’re not just gross, we’re gross children!
Eh, kinda. A lot of people develop lactose intolerance as they get older. IIRC, drinking milk is mostly a European and American thing. People of Asian or Native American heritage for example, tend to become lactose intolerant as they age. (my wife has some Native American in her ancestry and cannot drink milk for example)
Urthdigger wrote:
I also think we’re the only species to keep drinking milk as we grow older? So we’re not just gross, we’re gross children!
Eh, kinda. A lot of people develop lactose intolerance as they get older. IIRC, drinking milk is mostly a European and American thing. People of Asian or Native American heritage for example, tend to become lactose intolerant as they age. (my wife has some Native American in her ancestry and cannot drink milk for example)
Although not every human or culture drinks milk as a norm, those that do, do so out of necessity as many domesticated animals give milk. Cows, Reindeer, Camels, Buffalo, Yak, even horses a very long time ago.
There’s a hypothesis that milk producing glands evolved from sweat glands. If so, the fact that we like the taste of cheese is pretty impressive. Old, solidified cow sweat 😛
I mean we probably just developed this taste out of a desire to have a greater variance of nutrients in our diet. Not many animal species have the sheer range of foods we regularly consume. My question is who was the first weirdo who thought it was a good idea, with such a limited knowledge of nutritional health at the time?
Why do people always fixate on the milk drinking thing? People don’t (usually) eat human meat, and yet humans eat meat from other animals. People don’t eat human eggs (thank goodness, because that wouldn’t make much sense, seeing as they are barely visible specks) but we eat eggs of birds.
Humans drinking milk is really not that unusual, sure it was a mutation, but EVERYTHING is a mutation.
I also think we’re the only species to keep drinking milk as we grow older? So we’re not just gross, we’re gross children!
Offer an adult dog or cat some warm milk, you’ll notice they’ll happily lap it up. Hell, pretty much any non-herbivore works. The only reason why animals don’t usually drink milk as adults is that they don’t really have a good way to do so.
Well milk is not really natural.. That is why 70% of people are lactose intolerant…
Only because the huge Asian populations that never developed dairy farming. Milk and cheese are highly efficient ways to turn pasture lands that won’t support crops into protein. Your comment is ridiculous.
I also think we’re the only species to keep drinking milk as we grow older? So we’re not just gross, we’re gross children!
Offer an adult dog or cat some warm milk, you’ll notice they’ll happily lap it up. Hell, pretty much any non-herbivore works. The only reason why animals don’t usually drink milk as adults is that they don’t really have a good way to do so.
Not only that they are many stories of Mammal mother with suckling young adopting other orphaned mammals young and feeding them along side their own young, without human interventions.
I really don’t see Woo’s connection here. Maybe if humans bathed by licking themselves like cats (and raccoons?) do; but they don’t. If anything, humans drinking cow milk would be more like if Woo bathed using another species saliva, which depending on various factors could be more or less disturbing than Woo implies.
@ exterminator:
because drinking the milk from a different species isn’t something other animals do. to tell the truth after a certain age drinking milk can be harmful since animals are not meant to drink it forever and it is meant to help them grow and gain weight, the fact that humans consume so many things that contain milk and other high fat foods is one of the reasons we suffer from weight related illness.
I have to wonder- who was the first guy to look at a cow and say to himself, “I think I’ll squeeze those pink things and drink whatever comes out”?
No guy did that. Some woman who needed to feed a baby but did not have a supply of human milk, looked at a calf (or lamb, or kid) suckling, and thought ‘If it works for them, maybe it will work for baby’.
Then maybe some guy said ‘It works for babies, maybe it’ll work for me too’.
Only because the huge Asian populations that never developed dairy farming. Milk and cheese are highly efficient ways to turn pasture lands that won’t support crops into protein. Your comment is ridiculous.
I think what Trimutius meant by milk not really being natural and why so many people are lactose intolerant is because the milk we buy and the grocery store is -processed-. It’s not at all like it comes straight from the cow.
Pasteurization destroys some of the good stuff and makes it difficult for the body to digest. Homogenization could be even worse as it breaks the milk fat into particles so small that they can end up in your body. It has been theorized that the presence of the foreign proteins in milk may be the leading cause of allergies, because our bodies don’t know what to do with them.
Just because it’s tasty and you don’t die right away doesn’t mean it’s purely benefitial. Lot’s of our food is OK to eat but has long term negative effects.
True, many omnivores will eat milk since it’s tasty. But I heard of cats and hegehogs that it gives them diahrrea.
A dog will also eat chocolate because it’s tasty. Then he’ll die.
One thing we have unlearned to use as a distinction when it comes to food is texture. Milk and cheese are actually very slimy. I don’t really enjoy slimy stuff.
Another thing is plaque. With a natural diet, plaque shouldn’t develop as far as I know. We did not evolve alongside tooth brushes.
The next thing is: are mixtures of foods actually healthy? In the natural world, omnivores rarely eat everything mixed up. They eat fruits, and some time after that they eat an egg, and some time after that they eat something else.
Almost all diseases of affluence stem from stuff that humans have made available that is pleasurable short term and bad long term.
We also eat eggs and meat from other animals. Why is the milk the yucky one?
Well that is completly yucky for omnivore species…
We are neither canine nor feline who are pure carnivours (with occasional taste of grass to purge the intestants since they can not process celulose)
nor we are herbivours (we can not process celulose either) and out intestants are too short.
As mentioned in one of the first strips of sandra and woo… racoons eat pretty much what we do.
and as far as drinking milk goes… it is mostly invention of European far north… you know the place where even blood of animal was drunk… because it was shame to vaste such valuable nutrient… with cold climate little risk of food poisoning immediately compared to middle east and Africa.
It was simply utilizing all resources to the fullest extent. The protein production was certainly a lot more effective then just growing cows for meat utilizing milk. And water was usually not a problem.
Just because it’s tasty and you don’t die right away doesn’t mean it’s purely benefitial. Lot’s of our food is OK to eat but has long term negative effects.
True, many omnivores will eat milk since it’s tasty. But I heard of cats and hegehogs that it gives them diahrrea.
A dog will also eat chocolate because it’s tasty. Then he’ll die.
One thing we have unlearned to use as a distinction when it comes to food is texture. Milk and cheese are actually very slimy. I don’t really enjoy slimy stuff.
Another thing is plaque. With a natural diet, plaque shouldn’t develop as far as I know. We did not evolve alongside tooth brushes.
The next thing is: are mixtures of foods actually healthy? In the natural world, omnivores rarely eat everything mixed up. They eat fruits, and some time after that they eat an egg, and some time after that they eat something else.
Almost all diseases of affluence stem from stuff that humans have made available that is pleasurable short term and bad long term.
well in completly natural environment without tech more fancy than the spear average lifetime of a human beeing was about 20-25 years… 30 beeing an insane exception…
you did not have to worry about the plaque – because something would eat you much faster then this would cause any problems with your life. (snoring is exceptionaly bad thing when you have to hide from big cats, bears, and wolves… a bad trait most humans develop in the end.)
so… with all the technology and what humans have “made up” I have a projected lifespan of 80 years…
our ancestors which only lived with what mother nature gave them in “supposed” harmony with the environment – scarcely lived beyond 25. All natural and organic food they got.
Trimutius wrote:
Well milk is not really natural.. That is why 70% of people are lactose intolerant…
1oldbear wrote:
Only because the huge Asian populations that never developed dairy farming. Milk and cheese are highly efficient ways to turn pasture lands that won’t support crops into protein. Your comment is ridiculous.
I think what Trimutius meant by milk not really being natural and why so many people are lactose intolerant is because the milk we buy and the grocery store is -processed-. It’s not at all like it comes straight from the cow.
Pasteurization destroys some of the good stuff and makes it difficult for the body to digest. Homogenization could be even worse as it breaks the milk fat into particles so small that they can end up in your body. It has been theorized that the presence of the foreign proteins in milk may be the leading cause of allergies, because our bodies don’t know what to do with them.
well this kind of conflicts with the amount of people who can process lactose… even in China when there was a big programme about it – then there was about 90 percent lactose intolerant people in one generation, and 90 percent lactose tolerant in the succesive one.
simply because they kept driking it as todlers.
the same example can be said about rafined sugar… when it first became a thing – lot of people could not process it raw without cooking it and breaking it down again… now you would scarcely find a person in “west” whose body could not do it.
long story short – human digestive system is almost the most universal one the planet… could actually be the one genetic advantage of homo sapiens that allowed it to beat other hominids…
Eh, kinda. A lot of people develop lactose intolerance as they get older. IIRC, drinking milk is mostly a European and American thing. People of Asian or Native American heritage for example, tend to become lactose intolerant as they age. (my wife has some Native American in her ancestry and cannot drink milk for example)
Indo-Europeans evolved the ability to digest milk as adults because that was our way of surviving for a long time. It’s a very recent adaptation (by evolutionary time scales), and it hasn’t had time to propagate to the rest of the human race yet. It’s kind of neat though as it’s something that makes us different from most humans. We in the western world get in the habit of thinking of ourselves as “normal”, but this is an instance where we’re actually the weirdos.
Am I the only one here who has heard of the naturalistic fallacy? Just because something is natural doesn’ t mean it’s good, and just because something is unnatural doesn’t mean it’s bad. Humans using fire to cook food isn’t natrual either, but it benefits us quite a lot.
@ Paeris Kiran:
Not only do raccoons eat everything we eat, they thrive on our garbage. Urban raccoons are getting smarter by training on increasingly hard to open garbage cans and outwitting other human obstacles.
Maybe after humans die out our succors will evolve from raccoons. Hey, they may have a headstart in dealing with the other raccoons.
I bet that if animals were able to talk in the real world, they would say that some of the stuff we do is weird, like when we say that some of the stuff animals do is weird in our opinion.
I also think we’re the only species to keep drinking milk as we grow older? So we’re not just gross, we’re gross children!
This is a relief after the last few.
It’s perfectly normal, just like bathing in human drool is normal! NORMAL!
Dunno if this is anywhere close to canon…
Ye Thuza: I don’t. I’m lactose-intolerant.
Yuna: Me too! And I think humans are yucky as well!
Sandra: But you’re human. I think.
Yuna: Just you wait until I work out how to transfer my consciousness into a superior-
David: Ah- we talked about this, Yuna.
Ye Thuza: No transhuman evolution until you turn 18.
David: And no retroviral fixes of your DNA to cure lactose intolerance until you document your research and get it peer reviewed.
Yuna: Did I mention that humans are also obstructive?! X-P
>:=)>
More vegan topics, well well ^^
We also eat eggs and meat from other animals. Why is the milk the yucky one?
Because predators eat those all the time. But all animals except for humans stop drinking milk period after infancy. @ exterminator:
Urthdigger wrote:
Eh, kinda. A lot of people develop lactose intolerance as they get older. IIRC, drinking milk is mostly a European and American thing. People of Asian or Native American heritage for example, tend to become lactose intolerant as they age. (my wife has some Native American in her ancestry and cannot drink milk for example)
I’m pretty sure Woo has consumed foods containing milk before… And how is this more yucky then eating poultry ovulations?
All of the expressions in this strip are on point.
@ athroughzdude:
I think what Woo meant is that the yucky thing is drinking another species’ milk, not how old people still drinking it are.
Well milk is not really natural.. That is why 70% of people are lactose intolerant…
This from someone who thinks foraging in garbage cans is a buffet.
Pour Woo a bowl full of milk just for him. Of course a raccoon would drink it if offered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcxONbNfF3E
Foxfire15 wrote:
Although not every human or culture drinks milk as a norm, those that do, do so out of necessity as many domesticated animals give milk. Cows, Reindeer, Camels, Buffalo, Yak, even horses a very long time ago.
Anyway, interesting strip if not outright funny.
There’s a hypothesis that milk producing glands evolved from sweat glands. If so, the fact that we like the taste of cheese is pretty impressive. Old, solidified cow sweat 😛
My question is, Why is Sandra always so defensive about her species?
I have to wonder- who was the first guy to look at a cow and say to himself, “I think I’ll squeeze those pink things and drink whatever comes out”?
I mean we probably just developed this taste out of a desire to have a greater variance of nutrients in our diet. Not many animal species have the sheer range of foods we regularly consume. My question is who was the first weirdo who thought it was a good idea, with such a limited knowledge of nutritional health at the time?
@ Pony-kour: Curse my timely writing! You beat me to the question.
Why do people always fixate on the milk drinking thing? People don’t (usually) eat human meat, and yet humans eat meat from other animals. People don’t eat human eggs (thank goodness, because that wouldn’t make much sense, seeing as they are barely visible specks) but we eat eggs of birds.
Humans drinking milk is really not that unusual, sure it was a mutation, but EVERYTHING is a mutation.
I love how offended Sandra looks in that last panel.
Urthdigger wrote:
Offer an adult dog or cat some warm milk, you’ll notice they’ll happily lap it up. Hell, pretty much any non-herbivore works. The only reason why animals don’t usually drink milk as adults is that they don’t really have a good way to do so.
Trimutius wrote:
Only because the huge Asian populations that never developed dairy farming. Milk and cheese are highly efficient ways to turn pasture lands that won’t support crops into protein. Your comment is ridiculous.
I bet you all soon, one day, there will be a beauty product made from dog drool.
Rex Vivat wrote:
Not only that they are many stories of Mammal mother with suckling young adopting other orphaned mammals young and feeding them along side their own young, without human interventions.
Oh, that Woo!
I really don’t see Woo’s connection here. Maybe if humans bathed by licking themselves like cats (and raccoons?) do; but they don’t. If anything, humans drinking cow milk would be more like if Woo bathed using another species saliva, which depending on various factors could be more or less disturbing than Woo implies.
@ exterminator:
because drinking the milk from a different species isn’t something other animals do. to tell the truth after a certain age drinking milk can be harmful since animals are not meant to drink it forever and it is meant to help them grow and gain weight, the fact that humans consume so many things that contain milk and other high fat foods is one of the reasons we suffer from weight related illness.
I would love to see some of Novil’s alternate punchlines for that last panel!
Well thanks S&W you just ruined milk.
Pony-kour wrote:
No guy did that. Some woman who needed to feed a baby but did not have a supply of human milk, looked at a calf (or lamb, or kid) suckling, and thought ‘If it works for them, maybe it will work for baby’.
Then maybe some guy said ‘It works for babies, maybe it’ll work for me too’.
…where is the continuation of the last strip?
The correct response for Sandra would be to the deny sharing a cheese stick with Woo. I have yet to hear of a Raccoon who didn’t love cheese.
@ KMorisato:
Your video reminded me of this one.
Adult cats for example also drink milk from cows. When they can, they do. I bet other animals would do it as well, such as foxes or – yes – racoons.
Every carnivore that preys on cattle drinks cow’s milk. That’s how it all started.
@ Kevin Breslin:
I thought it started because someone was desperate and thought “hey that looks tasty”
Trimutius wrote:
1oldbear wrote:
I think what Trimutius meant by milk not really being natural and why so many people are lactose intolerant is because the milk we buy and the grocery store is -processed-. It’s not at all like it comes straight from the cow.
Pasteurization destroys some of the good stuff and makes it difficult for the body to digest. Homogenization could be even worse as it breaks the milk fat into particles so small that they can end up in your body. It has been theorized that the presence of the foreign proteins in milk may be the leading cause of allergies, because our bodies don’t know what to do with them.
The way I see it its like we want to be baby cows/calves
Just because it’s tasty and you don’t die right away doesn’t mean it’s purely benefitial. Lot’s of our food is OK to eat but has long term negative effects.
True, many omnivores will eat milk since it’s tasty. But I heard of cats and hegehogs that it gives them diahrrea.
A dog will also eat chocolate because it’s tasty. Then he’ll die.
One thing we have unlearned to use as a distinction when it comes to food is texture. Milk and cheese are actually very slimy. I don’t really enjoy slimy stuff.
Another thing is plaque. With a natural diet, plaque shouldn’t develop as far as I know. We did not evolve alongside tooth brushes.
The next thing is: are mixtures of foods actually healthy? In the natural world, omnivores rarely eat everything mixed up. They eat fruits, and some time after that they eat an egg, and some time after that they eat something else.
Almost all diseases of affluence stem from stuff that humans have made available that is pleasurable short term and bad long term.
exterminator wrote:
Well that is completly yucky for omnivore species…
We are neither canine nor feline who are pure carnivours (with occasional taste of grass to purge the intestants since they can not process celulose)
nor we are herbivours (we can not process celulose either) and out intestants are too short.
As mentioned in one of the first strips of sandra and woo… racoons eat pretty much what we do.
and as far as drinking milk goes… it is mostly invention of European far north… you know the place where even blood of animal was drunk… because it was shame to vaste such valuable nutrient… with cold climate little risk of food poisoning immediately compared to middle east and Africa.
It was simply utilizing all resources to the fullest extent. The protein production was certainly a lot more effective then just growing cows for meat utilizing milk. And water was usually not a problem.
Black Pete wrote:
well in completly natural environment without tech more fancy than the spear average lifetime of a human beeing was about 20-25 years… 30 beeing an insane exception…
you did not have to worry about the plaque – because something would eat you much faster then this would cause any problems with your life. (snoring is exceptionaly bad thing when you have to hide from big cats, bears, and wolves… a bad trait most humans develop in the end.)
so… with all the technology and what humans have “made up” I have a projected lifespan of 80 years…
our ancestors which only lived with what mother nature gave them in “supposed” harmony with the environment – scarcely lived beyond 25. All natural and organic food they got.
xpacetrue wrote:
well this kind of conflicts with the amount of people who can process lactose… even in China when there was a big programme about it – then there was about 90 percent lactose intolerant people in one generation, and 90 percent lactose tolerant in the succesive one.
simply because they kept driking it as todlers.
the same example can be said about rafined sugar… when it first became a thing – lot of people could not process it raw without cooking it and breaking it down again… now you would scarcely find a person in “west” whose body could not do it.
long story short – human digestive system is almost the most universal one the planet… could actually be the one genetic advantage of homo sapiens that allowed it to beat other hominids…
Foxfire15 wrote:
Indo-Europeans evolved the ability to digest milk as adults because that was our way of surviving for a long time. It’s a very recent adaptation (by evolutionary time scales), and it hasn’t had time to propagate to the rest of the human race yet. It’s kind of neat though as it’s something that makes us different from most humans. We in the western world get in the habit of thinking of ourselves as “normal”, but this is an instance where we’re actually the weirdos.
Paeris Kiran wrote:
So how about the goats? Is there anything they can’t eat that’s not pure poison or highly radioactive?
…Is it so different from eating the *meat* of another species?
Am I the only one here who has heard of the naturalistic fallacy? Just because something is natural doesn’ t mean it’s good, and just because something is unnatural doesn’t mean it’s bad. Humans using fire to cook food isn’t natrual either, but it benefits us quite a lot.
@ Paeris Kiran:
Not only do raccoons eat everything we eat, they thrive on our garbage. Urban raccoons are getting smarter by training on increasingly hard to open garbage cans and outwitting other human obstacles.
Maybe after humans die out our succors will evolve from raccoons. Hey, they may have a headstart in dealing with the other raccoons.
I bet that if animals were able to talk in the real world, they would say that some of the stuff we do is weird, like when we say that some of the stuff animals do is weird in our opinion.
Introduce him to what else milk is used for, specifically as cake ingredients that he has consumed already. Moohahaha.